[project1dev] Re: new pirate dice UI
- From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:47:19 -0700
Well i was just bringin it up cause i know eric hates games where you have
to pay for content.
This may be different though.
If so, it would be nice to be able to make a lil stream of money this way
yeah (:
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> VIP anyone?
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> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Another thought for allowing buyable money is that you can flag players
>> who buy money and only allow them to play with other players who buy money
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> I like the newer ideas going into pirate dice. I think the game will have
>>> better flow and be more of its own entity.
>>>
>>> I also like the idea of letting people spend real money on games. I think
>>> it opens of your audience to a wider range of adult players. There are
>>> plenty of people out there who would rather spend a few bucks in real life
>>> than play a repetitive mini game to earn money. So why allow both? After
>>> enough time has passed on the game servers there will be enough money in
>>> circulation that it would not matter as much to game balance.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a fan of generating money. :T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> but, dunno how eric feels about that... it could ruin some stuff about
>>>>> the game
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> that would be a good way to generate some revenue :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Nick Klotz
>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Give people the option to buy gold with real monies. :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That sounds like a good solution eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if there are 3 private dice that means 3 rounds of play, so you
>>>>>>>> have to have 3x of ante? (or is it 4 rounds?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in any case you would have to have either 3x or 4x the ante
>>>>>>>> (depending on how many rounds of betting there are cause i am dumb
>>>>>>>> right now
>>>>>>>> lol) and if you don't you can't play?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, sounds great to me, good way to plug the hole.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kent you have it exactly right i think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alan - that is a good question... we could do it like regular poker
>>>>>>>>> where it creates a side pot for people to continue betting and the
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> that is out of money would just win the main pot if he wins, and the
>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>> place person would get the side pot... but that seems clumsy to me.
>>>>>>>>> I would
>>>>>>>>> actually say we should just make it that if someone doesn't have
>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>> money to buy in for an entire game, they are disqualified and kicked
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the table until they have enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok so here's my view of how it should work - when you enter the
>>>>>>>>> pirate dice area, you start off with an amount of gold and there's 3
>>>>>>>>> games
>>>>>>>>> of pirate dice going, 1 with a low ante, 1 with a medium and then a
>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>> stakes game. We could also have a "loan shark" NPC who offers to
>>>>>>>>> loan small
>>>>>>>>> amounts of money at high interest, and what i was thinking was if you
>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> out of $$$ completely, we have a 2nd mini game in the area that can
>>>>>>>>> earn you
>>>>>>>>> cash that is free. I was thinking it could be like, you could work
>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>> bartender and the drink buyer gives you a tip and we could make a
>>>>>>>>> mini bar
>>>>>>>>> tending game, or you have to go in the backroom and catch all the
>>>>>>>>> rats and
>>>>>>>>> they give you a fixed amount per rat... that way, no one is ever
>>>>>>>>> stuck and
>>>>>>>>> completely unable to play...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what happens if the ante comes up and you are out of money? IE
>>>>>>>>>> when you are "all in"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. I think this new method sounds pretty solid as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am all for simplifying the game. I think the best games are the
>>>>>>>>>>> most simple. Easy to play, hard to master.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So to change the game from how it is to the new model we would.
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) make 3 dice visible and 3 hiddden dice per player, first round
>>>>>>>>>>> starts with 3 visible dice rolled and 1 hidden dice
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) remove raising
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) set an ante amount that is paid every round
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If players still state what they have in their hand to stay in
>>>>>>>>>>> the game and call you would need to state that you have a greater
>>>>>>>>>>> than or
>>>>>>>>>>> equal hand than the person who called before you right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see your point on bluffing mechanics it is probably best to go
>>>>>>>>>>> without for now. I could see it potentially working in a 2v2
>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>> pirate dice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:38 PM, eric drewes
>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hey now that we have it worked out i'll finish making the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the areas you need, i wasn't sure how to proceed so i figured
>>>>>>>>>>>> i'd better
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk it out first. I think you have the right idea but here's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> way i was
>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it could work:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) each player ante's up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the 3 shared dice are rolled and each player rolls 1 hidden
>>>>>>>>>>>> dice. (I think these amounts may change when we play test for
>>>>>>>>>>>> balance, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this is an ok starting point)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the person to the left of the dealer puts in 1 coin and and
>>>>>>>>>>>> claims a combination to open the match
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) it goes clockwise around the table, players can either put 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> coin in and claim to top the previous person's combination, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> fold out
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) once it gets back to the starting person, a 2nd hidden dice
>>>>>>>>>>>> is rolled, also the amount to stay in the game up a pre-decided
>>>>>>>>>>>> increment.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example it could go up 1 each round, or double each round,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) it goes around until only one person is left or 3 hidden dice
>>>>>>>>>>>> have been rolled, if 3 have been rolled and its gone around to
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> else, everyone reveals their dice and the highest combination wins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hey alan, I am thinking that even though we had a rule to call
>>>>>>>>>>>> bluff, we kinda stopped callign it or it was infrequent while we
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> playing the actual game. I think pirate dice might not need
>>>>>>>>>>>> calling a bluff
>>>>>>>>>>>> at all, really when playing through just be ante'ing up and
>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing on
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're essentially "calling their bluff" - just like regular
>>>>>>>>>>>> poker a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bluffer can keep bluffing all the way till the reveal, after that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the proof
>>>>>>>>>>>> is in the pudding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure how the mechanics for calling bluff would work
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow. One way I was thinking was at any time, a person can call
>>>>>>>>>>>> "bluff"
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the previous person's claim instead of claiming for their
>>>>>>>>>>>> round, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> still have to pay the ante-in fee to call a bluff. Once bluff is
>>>>>>>>>>>> called,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the accused reveals his dice, if he was lying, he forfeits and
>>>>>>>>>>>> pays a liars
>>>>>>>>>>>> fee equivalent to the round's ante. Likewise, if the accused was
>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth, he forfeits and the accuser has to pay a tattler's fee
>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the round's ante. my problem with any of these is it enables a
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> easy kingmaker for people working together, but i am definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>> all ears if
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone has an idea how to make it work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Kent Petersen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would the new way of raising, ante increases each round. be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by the blinds? Do you still want a large and small
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blinds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Kent Petersen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where would you want the shared dice to be displayed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Kent Petersen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI screen looks nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I am following you. I will make some mods and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, by not folding you are saying you are raising?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like the first 3 dice to roll as public and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the next 3 dice to come out one turn at a time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:04 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the betting thing, i can't remember what we did when we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> played it, i wish i could. If you can't bet, you can't raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someones and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluff them out. Is it that if you want to stay in you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as high or higher than one the last person said so that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluff someone out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to basically say you have something higher than them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to push them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out? Just tryin to wrap my head around it hehe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you raise and bluff people by claiming you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressively higher combinations of dice, basically what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly right - if you want to stay in you have to have or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better combination of dice than the person before you, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're betting more and trying to bluff them out with every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn. Raising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and making bets is redundant to the premise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alan i was thinking about it and i talked to misty and i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty sure we didn't bet anything when we played, we had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where if you won you got 2 points, folded you got 0, if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got called for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluffing you lost 3 points, etc. i don't really remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though... but i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dont think we bet...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really like the idea of escalating antes per round, its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple and easy while still keeping a high risk/reward for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue playing - I am, of course, open to other ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though! I was just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working through playing pirate dice in my head to make the UI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that betting, etc. overly complicates when you're essentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting/bluffing anyways whenever you claim you have a better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh and the UI looks nice btw!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that makes a lot of sense, and i had forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that aspect of the game (the public dice).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the betting thing, i can't remember what we did when we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> played it, i wish i could. If you can't bet, you can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise someones and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluff them out. Is it that if you want to stay in you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as high or higher than one the last person said so that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluff someone out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to basically say you have something higher than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to push them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out? Just tryin to wrap my head around it hehe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the chat window, we also need a place to list the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players in the room (since there may be more players than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are sitting down).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> labeled version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:44 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have started on the UI but I think we need to work out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some kinks in the game flow before i finalize things...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically i was trying to think of this game from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiplayer perspective and I have a problem w/ the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard raise/call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format of poker in relevance to this game. Basically the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gameplay comes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from divulging the type and combination of dice you have,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and since you tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone what you have (or what you're pretending to have)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every turn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting doesn't work in the conventional way. Basically I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was thinking that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than escalating the bets manually as players, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think there should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an "ante" to stay in whenever it is your turn, so you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either folding out of the game or putting in a pre-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ante, telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone what you have (or are pretending to have) that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either beats, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the previous player, or calling the bluff of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous player. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realize this is a slight deviation from the current design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will function much more cleanly and it makes more sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when put into a game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. Basically we can have multiple stakes, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there can be a high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stakes game where its 10 gold a round, or a low stakes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game where it's 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gold per round, etc. or perhaps the amount of ante to stay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in per round
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escalated (i.e. it's low in the first couple of rounds but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you get into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 5th or 6th round the stakes get higher making it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riskier thing (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus more fun!) to continue or bluff or call a bluff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing I was thinking about and this was a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omission when Alan and I were trying to remember how we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> played the game,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there was some publicly displayed amount of dice, either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dice that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared by all players or maybe each players first 3 dice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are displayed, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will give something for other players to try to judge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether the person is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluffing or not and to try to calculate the odds. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game was originally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conceived of as a combination of the liar's dice game on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pirates of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carribean and texas hold'em, so I am pretty sure having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that visible dice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was part of what made the game fun and playable. Sorry it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain via e-mail without having dice in front of me but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what i mean is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this: we could either have 3 dice that are shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amongst all players
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like the flop in texas hold'em)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's 3 public dice, they are rolled once everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ante's up - let's say a 3, a 6 and a 2 are rolled. Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the players roll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their first 2 hidden dice. Player one sees he rolled a 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a 4 in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal hidden dice, and claims he has a pair of 3's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players can see all he needed to do was roll one 3 himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pair of 3's so he is probably not bluffing. The game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escalates from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise the second version could work where every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players first 3 dice are visible to all players, and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequence dice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rolls are hidden.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fun part of gambling and playing these games is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figuring out the odds, trying to get lucky on dice rolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if other people are bluffing. Part of all three of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things is giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people hints to try to guess at what the other person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> REALLY has. Having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the visible dice is that tantalizing hint. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guy's think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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