[opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince

  • From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:52:37 -0500

At 9:56 AM -0800 11/11/08, Dale Kelly wrote:
When you tell me I'm wrong and use factoids as evidence, please provide a
credible source for your information and, btw, Rush Limbaugh doesn't qualify
as credible.

On 10/26 I posted links to the work of Don J. Easterbrook, Professor Emeritus geomorphology; glacial geology; Pleistocene geochronology; environmental and engineering geology; Western Washington University.


Please read the following paper:


At the end of this paper, Easterbrook talks about cooling ocean temperatures in the Pacific.

On 10/29 I posted the following links about the growth of the polar Ice Caps:




It does appear to be true that 2007 was the lowest extent of the Artic ice cap recorded, but 2008 is running about 9% ahead of 2007, and the winter has just begun. And the antartic Ice cap has been growing for several years.

Or how about this from a very green website:


NASA scientists puzzled as data show oceans actually cooling
Mar 24th 2008 @ 8:01AM

Filed under: Climate Change

This climate change thing sure is complicated. Researchers with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory studying temperature changes in the world's oceans are finding no evidence of heating up in the last 5 years or so. Scientists have been working with a program called Argo, which looks at ocean temperatures using robotic buoys which dive down to three thousand feet to collect data. Since the study began in 2003, measurements have not only failed to find evidence of warming, but in fact have picked up a slight cooling trend.

The results of the study are especially significant since 80-90% of global warming involves the oceans, which retain far more heat than land. The findings are difficult to reconcile with surface readings, which show consistently rising temperatures. JPL scientist Josh Willis recently said in an interview with NPR that the phenomenon may have something to do with heat flowing from the water into the air (which causes the weather phenomenon known as El Nino), or it may reflect a a brief hiatus in an overall warming trend. Other possibilities are that researchers aren't interpreting the data properly, or that the heat is going deep into the ocean where it isn't being measured by the Argo buoys.

Even this is being contested, but it does raise some questions about what is really going on with the Earth's climate.

Perhaps its time to focus on a very controversial topic - Can Mobile DTV save broadcasting in the U.S.?

We can check back on the climate change story in a few hundred years when we have enough data to put recent changes in the Earth's climate in proper context....


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