[opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince

  • From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:55:29 -0800

Yes, I read your postings with great interest. The Blogs have little or no
veracity: their conclusions are not even substantiated by their posted data.
You simply can not make a valid case regarding climate change or most other
natural phenomena, by cherry picking short term data*, which they do. Yes,
the arctic ice has thickened slightly in 2008, relative to 2007 (the lowest
year in recent history), but it remains at a very low level compared to the
charts base line level. How about inspecting your own data before attempting
to build a case.

*see Cliff's recent postings.

Professor Easterbrook's study very graphically documents that warming and
cooling cycle do occur naturally at an almost sinusoidal rate but then his
study is incorrectly used in attempts to invalidate global warming concerns.
The irrefutable facts are: in concert with the natural warming and cooling
cycles, the global mean temperature is steadily rising: Each high is warmer
that the previous high and each low is warmer than the previous low and the
past fifty years has seen rapid changes in the mean temperature baseline.
This rapid temperature increase could at least partially be fueled by human
activities and dozens of scientific agencies/universities and thousands of
scientist's worldwide, believe this to be the case and Mr. Hansen of NASA
cannot have corrupted them all.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Craig Birkmaier
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:53 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince
> At 9:56 AM -0800 11/11/08, Dale Kelly wrote:
> >When you tell me I'm wrong and use factoids as evidence, please provide a
> >credible source for your information and, btw, Rush Limbaugh
> doesn't qualify
> >as credible.
> >Dale
> On 10/26 I posted links to the work of Don J. Easterbrook, Professor
> Emeritus geomorphology; glacial geology; Pleistocene geochronology;
> environmental and engineering geology; Western Washington University.
> http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/research/global/index.htm
> Please read the following paper:
> http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/research/global/geoev.pdf
> At the end of this paper, Easterbrook talks about cooling ocean
> temperatures in the Pacific.
> On 10/29 I posted the following links about the growth of the
> polar Ice Caps:
> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growt
> h-reaches.html
> http://www.m4gw.com:2005/m4gw/2008/09/ice_cap_is_growing.html
> http://hypsithermal.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/massive-growth-in-polar-ice/
> It does appear to be true that 2007 was the lowest extent of the
> Artic ice cap recorded, but 2008 is running about 9% ahead of 2007,
> and the winter has just begun.  And the antartic Ice cap has been
> growing for several years.
> Or how about this from a very green website:
> http://www.greendaily.com/2008/03/24/nasa-scientists-puzzled-as-da
> ta-show-oceans-actually-cooling/
> NASA scientists puzzled as data show oceans actually cooling
> Mar 24th 2008 @ 8:01AM
> Filed under: Climate Change
> This climate change thing sure is complicated. Researchers with
> NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory studying temperature changes in the
> world's oceans are finding no evidence of heating up in the last 5
> years or so.
> Scientists have been working with a program called Argo, which looks
> at ocean temperatures using robotic buoys which dive down to three
> thousand feet to collect data. Since the study began in 2003,
> measurements have not only failed to find evidence of warming, but in
> fact have picked up a slight cooling trend.
> The results of the study are especially significant since 80-90% of
> global warming involves the oceans, which retain far more heat than
> land.
> The findings are difficult to reconcile with surface readings, which
> show consistently rising temperatures. JPL scientist Josh Willis
> recently said in an interview with NPR that the phenomenon may have
> something to do with heat flowing from the water into the air (which
> causes the weather phenomenon known as El Nino), or it may reflect a
> a brief hiatus in an overall warming trend. Other possibilities are
> that researchers aren't interpreting the data properly, or that the
> heat is going deep into the ocean where it isn't being measured by
> the Argo buoys.
> Even this is being contested, but it does raise some questions about
> what is really going on with the Earth's climate.
> Perhaps its time to focus on a very controversial topic - Can Mobile
> DTV save broadcasting in the U.S.?
> We can check back on the climate change story in a few hundred years
> when we have enough data to put recent changes in the Earth's climate
> in proper context....
> Regards
> Craig
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