[opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince

  • From: "John Willkie" <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:36:32 -0800

Actually, the arctic ice pack is expanding, and is at a record size these
days.  Can't say the same for the Antarctic ice pack.

I do believe this is a widely-known fact, outside of the church of Al Gore
and James Hansen.  

Come to think of it, how is the Gore electric bill doing?  Do they still
spend more to heat their pool than the rest of us do to light and power our
homes?

John Willkie

-----Mensaje original-----
De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
nombre de Dale Kelly
Enviado el: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:48 AM
Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince

Craig wrote:
> Can ANYONE cite even one example of harm that has occurred from the
> recent warming over the past decade?

For a start, how about the melting of the arctic ice pack and the
increasingly warming oceans which resulted in the loss of viable wildlife
habitat and a reduced population of many species such as Salmon, Polar
Bears, Orca Whales, Oyster, Coral Reefs. etc, etc.

For what it's worth I've attached two URLs that addresses the ocean warming
issue. However, Craig being an avid "Denier", I await his next round of "new
Science" and it's resulting obfuscation.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080618143301.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070308220426.htm

> Articles that wring hands about the harm caused by global
> >warming do not by themselves show that we cause it or how we can fix
> >it.

Generally you first identify a problem and then devise a fix; this seldom
happens simultaneously.

Dale

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Craig Birkmaier
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:22 AM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince
>
>
> At 7:04 PM -0500 11/8/08, Albert Manfredi wrote:
> >Saturday evening rambling.
> >
> >...
> >
> >
> >The potential for harm from WSDs is even more easily demonstrated.
>
> As is the potential for valuable new service that can share the spectrum.
>
> We have to start somewhere. It is unconscionable to keep this
> spectrum tied up protecting a service that is used only by a small
> fraction of the population.
>
> >Similarly, human involvement in global warming might very well be
> >true. Possibly, the stats show that somehow somewhere, we are
> >exacerbating it. But obsessing over CO2, when we contribute such a
> >small fraction of that gas compared with the rest of nature? Show me
> >what we are doing that causes harm, then, so we have a hope of
> >fixing it. Articles that wring hands about the harm caused by global
> >warming do not by themselves show that we cause it or how we can fix
> >it.
>
> Good points.
>
> Can ANYONE cite even one example of harm that has occurred from the
> recent warming over the past decade?
>
> Sorry, but increased levels of CO2 is not harmful...just more
> nutrients for plants.
>
> Regards
> Crag
>
>
>
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