[opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince

  • From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:02:45 -0800

> How do we cure rising ocean temperatures?
>
> Cue the sun?

The recent very high ocean temperatures occurred during periods with very
little solar activity. Of course my source is NOAA/NASA and we know that
they are completely unreliable......

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Willkie
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:22 AM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince
>
>
> How do we cure rising ocean temperatures?
>
> Cue the sun?
>
> Do we have enough data points (other than along the coasts) to
> even know the
> scope of the problem?
>
> John Willkie, who will throw the ice remaining from his soft
> drink the next
> time he visits the Pacific, to see how that works.
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
> nombre de Dale Kelly
> Enviado el: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:56 AM
> Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Asunto: [opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince
>
> Craig wrote:
> > Nice try, but not true. This is simply the normal cyclic nature of
> > the oceans. And there is no evidence linking the declines in the
> > populations you cite to melting ice. In fact the population of polar
> > Bears has been increasing for nearly three decades.
>
> Reread my posting and you will see that I did not identify
> melting Ice packs
> as the source; rising ocean temperature is the culprit.
>
> When you tell me I'm wrong and use factoids as evidence, please provide a
> credible source for your information and, btw, Rush Limbaugh
> doesn't qualify
> as credible.
> Dale
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Craig Birkmaier
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:13 AM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: What does it take to convince
> >
> >
> > At 11:47 AM -0800 11/9/08, Dale Kelly wrote:
> > >Craig wrote:
> > >>  Can ANYONE cite even one example of harm that has occurred from the
> > >>  recent warming over the past decade?
> > >
> > >For a start, how about the melting of the arctic ice pack and the
> > >increasingly warming oceans which resulted in the loss of
> viable wildlife
> > >habitat and a reduced population of many species such as Salmon, Polar
> > >Bears, Orca Whales, Oyster, Coral Reefs. etc, etc.
> >
> > Nice try, but not true. This is simply the normal cyclic nature of
> > the oceans. And there is no evidence linking the declines in the
> > populations you cite to melting ice. In fact the population of polar
> > Bears has been increasing for nearly three decades.
> >
> > >
> > >For what it's worth I've attached two URLs that addresses the
> > ocean warming
> > >issue. However, Craig being an avid "Denier", I await his next
> > round of "new
> > >Science" and it's resulting obfuscation.
> > >
> > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080618143301.htm
> > >
> > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070308220426.htm
> >
> >
> > The oceans have been cooling dramatically for several years. Again,
> > this is the normal cyclic stuff the Earth's climate has been doing
> > for MUCH longer that we ave been recording this kind of data.
> >
> > And the oceans the major carbon sync for the planet. Nothng new about
> > the oceans absorbing CO2. Just the normal state of affairs.
> >
> > >
> > >>  Articles that wring hands about the harm caused by global
> > >>  >warming do not by themselves show that we cause it or how
> we can fix
> > >>  >it.
> > >
> > >Generally you first identify a problem and then devise a fix;
> this seldom
> > >happens simultaneously.
> > >
> >
> > First you have to document real problems and demonstrate - using the
> > scientific method - the causal aspects of that problem. Then you need
> > to come up with meaningful solutions to mitigate the problem.
> >
> > No problem has been rigorously researched and proven - we are being
> > sold this bill of goods based on computer models that may or may not
> > be valid.  There is no solid science linking global climate change
> > with human activity. And there is no science that proves that if we
> > cut back of CO2 emissions we can have a meaningful impact on the
> > climate.
> >
> > Sorry, but this is the reality.
> >
> > Politically motivated change CAN be liked to mans' activities, as
> > were just experienced.
> >
> > I strongly suspect that the efforts to influence science via
> > government sponsored  - outcome oriented - research will continue and
> > that the effort to tax energy use by highly developed nations will
> > accelerate...
> >
> > Regards
> > Craig
> >
> >
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