[Wittrs] Re: Understanding Dualism
- From: "BruceD" <blroadies@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:15:23 -0000
--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "gabuddabout" <wittrsamr@...> wrote:
> Synchronic causation is the realizer, somehow, awaiting further work
on correlating consciousness, say, with NCCs.
Forgive me, what are NCCs? Let's see if I get your drift. In brain
research, there is evidence of Correlation,i.e., stimulate brain center
1 and, simultaneously, the subjects reports experience x; and evidence
for "synchronic cuusation", i..e, stimulate brain center 2 and moments
later the subject reports experience y. The facts are there. Now how do
we conceptualize them? You suggest how in the paragraphs below. But I
struggle to understand. I'm going to try to write something now. It
probably need revision. But in that way you an see where I'm stuck
> ... the kicked ball can be a case of causation, conventionally
understood..
Yes. Take the person out of the description. The leg and the ball follow
the laws of physics.
> So, perhaps we refer to mind as ontological subjectivity
I've never grasped your use of "ontological subjectivity." Why not just
use the word "mind" in its ordinary sense?
> (at some system level of synchronic causation) that is yet caused
(causal reducibility) by lower level neuron firing.
When I think "I'm kicking the ball" certain neurons are firing. You're
saying the firing neurons cause my thinking.
> The firing causes the consciousness while the consciousness is
understood as a state the system is in at
> a level of description involving synchronic causation that is not
spelled out in formal PP terms, but BP (brute physical) terms.
The above sentence is saying: "My conscious experience of kicking can be
described by nerve impulses."
In this causal chain, the person who comes to have the kicking
experience is located where? At the end? A person at the end of the
neurons?
> there has to be some scientific story to tell as to what allows for
falling asleep and waking in the brain.
There is. Specific biochemical changes in the body cause our body to
fall asleep and then awake. The conceptual problem is a coherent account
of where the person stands in relationship to these bodily experiences
that is neither supernatural or dualistic.
More later.
bruce
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