--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Stuart W. Mirsky" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > We NEVER see inside anyone else's subjectivity Not because it is hidden away but because there is no inside. > > But why assume that the explanation must take the form of the brain generating it? > Your own example of driving under the influence answers that one. It does? Driving under the influence is like driving with one hand, it presents difficulty for a person, not for a brain. One only makes sense out of this by starting with a person and bringing in the brain as a limiting factor. That is not what you mean by "cause." Causes are mediated by other causes. But you have causes mediated by a Person which itself is not an object that can stand in a causal relationship > First off, I start with people and then you look for where your brain has caused you? Where do you look? And is th elooking caused? Your brain causes your mind to look for your brain and then concludes the brain caused you the looker? bruce ,