[geocentrism] Re: Evolution
- From: "philip madsen" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:52:43 +1000
I would certainly be at odds with Philip over millions of years. Philip seems
to have forgotten that modern research has shown that radiometric dating is
seriously flawed.
Jack
I was speculating.... LOL.. Of course I rekon Dino could have walked in theory
before creation 7000 years ago.. if a pre-creation fossil, then whats a few
more thousand years. that does not preclude other fossils at any number of
years old..And of course I do not believe in the accuracy of carbon dating.. .
In any case, may we not allow just as much credence for there to have been
some post creation and post flood dinos.. dragon monsters, .. One of the
rockefellas went missing in New Guinea chasing one of the alleged "reptiles"
... Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Lewis
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Dear Paul,
One of the recent young age of dinosaurs was the discovery of the soft tissue
of a T'Rex complete with DNA.
I would certainly be at odds with Philip over millions of years. Philip seems
to have forgotten that modern research has shown that radiometric dating is
seriously flawed.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: philip madsen
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:54 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Paul you are stretching things a bit.
Archaeopteryx had feathers and wings, but it also had teeth and a skeleton
similar to a small carnivorous dinosaur; therefore, it had both bird and
theropod dinosaur features. Similar in size and shape to a European Magpie, it
bore broad, rounded wings and a long tail.
Do they then have photos, or perhaps an original in deep freeze?
Do you believe then that Dinosaurs are reptilian.. ? Why? because thats
what we have been told for centuries? Are you forgetting that speculation (and
fraud) clothed these monster skeletons. ?
Do you know that doubt has been cast on this speculation by more recent DNA
tests that show these to be mammal rather than reptile.. also the dating
method has been turned upside down by serious new evidence.. What reason other
than faith in evolution would cause scientists to get angry at these new
research data?
The point is that the fossils are not true evidence of anything other than
that there are/were extinct animal types...
Please do not put me down on the claim that this is a creationist make
believe outburst.. I have already put on the record that God created an old
universe, His Garden had very old plants and trees that had never seen the
light of more than one day. And also a well worn river that had never seen a
flood.
I would not be surprised at millions of years old fossils that had never
ever experienced life on earth. This I not only concede, but expect to be
likely. God created an evolved world, according to natural law. That He
bypassed this process; such is His mystery of creation, and a test for those
whom he wants to call His own, as to whether they believe in Him and His word,
or reject Him. Physical evidence of evolution could never be a PROOF against
creation. Foolish proud and rebellious man. Lazarus was already corrupt and
stinketh, yet He raised him back to life.. That was re- creation... not
evolution.
Nevertheless I will not accept as fact the subjective speculation
surrounding the science of the fossil records, as proof of any cross species
evolution in that process, not even that dinosaurs were reptiles will I accept.
It is speculation with presumption and you know it.
The modern science of genetic modification, where genes of a species of
fish are combined with or added to a tomatoe plant or the proposed experiments
to prooduce Chimeras, are proof positive, due to the extremely "opposed to
nature" methods used, that such cross breeding between species is contrary to
the natural Law.
I am certain, that had He allowed nature to take its course over billions
of years, (He certainly had the time) then beginning with just energy of
perhaps positive and negative charges, one must go back further than a sea of
soup, TRUE science would favour the proposition that evolution began in SEVERAL
diverse orders, and with the developement of each species SEPARATELY..according
to natural laws.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:59 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution
Jack L
Archaeopteryx is the archetypal transitional fossil but of course your
side of the table just shifts ground and calls for a transitional fossil
between it and the birds or between it and the lizards. It wouldn't matter how
many transitional fossils are found in this series, the creationists will
simply repeat the exercise in ever smaller increments.
Yes Apo A-I Milano is microevolution and it is an enhancement. And lots
of these in succession and in isolation eventually become a new species --
macroevolution.
Since no creationist to the best of my knowledge, has ever given a
definition of 'kind', I doubt that you would break the mould but we live in
hope. Are you prepared to offer such a definition? If you are, (or even if
you're not) which Arkian 'kind' is the ancestor (by microevolution of course!)
of the kangaroo? Or of the lemur? Or of the hawaiian carnivorous caterpillar as
per the snippet below?
I also have an historical perspective on the subject of evolution from
the creationist point of view. Are you interested? Might give you some ideas.
Paul D
Snippet from
http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/acad/CTAHRInAction/Dec_05/caterpillar.asp.
Our state is home to 350 known species of Hyposmocoma. Most of these
species are endemic to a single island. Since first identifying the Maui
caterpillar, Rubinoff and Haines have found different species of snail-eating
Hyposmocoma on Molokai, Kauai, and the Big Island, revealing how our islands
are hotbeds of evolution in which new organisms and survival strategies arise
at a remarkable rate.
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