Jack L Well of course it is! I'm definately getting s-l-o-w-e-r! Contradiction? It has been found that the proteins in living cells are almost all left-handed. Thus by definition, some are right-handed. It would be lethal to a cell, by preventing metabalism, if a right-handed molecule was inserted. Therefore all cells have their metabalism lethally prevented, making life is impossible. But life exists. E-r-r-o-r -- d-e-s-t-r-u-c-t -- e-r-r-o-r ............ I can't discuss abiogenesis -- I don't know enough about it. OK you won't discuss anything else. You could tell me however why the Second Law of Thermodynamics makes it impossible - ...because without it there will be nothing to evolve. This is not a discussion starter -- you've made it plain you won't engage. However I will make a statement. Life exists. It is perfectly reasonable to explore the possibility of evolution acting on existing life. Many problems -- not just the mechanism of evolution -- can be attacked by simultaneously addressing different parts of the problem. It happens all the time! Often referred to as parallel processing. You've detailed some difficulties of dealing with evolutionists. Well others have difficulties dealing with creationists, especially fundamentalist creationists. The immediate problem I see is an inability to deal with part of a problem. Such people need certainty in everything and of course this is not possible if the problem is incomplete. Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2007 6:55:41 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution Dear Paul, 2nd L.O.T. = 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The stuff that I sent you was simply for your information regarding insurmountable evolutionary problems. I don't have the time to waste having lengthy discussions about a subject I know to be true. It is my experience in talking to evolutionists about their problems that no sooner do I make a valid point to them they then say something like, "Ah yes but what about..." and go off into another area and nothing ever gets resolved. I won't do that anymore because basically I'll only discuss one thing at a time and that is abiogenesis. The level of agreement or disagreement will determine whether I continue the discussion or not. We either resolve this question or we end the discussion. My intransigence on this is because without it there will be nothing to evolve. There is no way that you can get round this statement - it is fundamental, foundational and cannot be by-passed. Therefore I am prepared to discuss the impossibility of abiogenesis and nothing else until it is resolved. What is the obvious contradiction you were referring to below? Regards Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution Jack L From Jack Lewis Wed Sep 12 18:10:56 2007 If you think that the article about abiogenesis is merely an anecdote then you clearly have no idea what evolution is about. If you want more information about what creationists say about the 2nd L. O. T. check out this site http://www.icr.org/article/86/ its not too long an article. [ What is 2nd L. O. T.? ] I was in a bit of a hurry and I'd forgotten about this item. It is not a simple anecdote, but it is a simplistic attempt to disprove an incredibly complex proposition with a few references to carbon atoms and right and left handedness. Then we find this - It has been found that the proteins in living cells are almost all left-handed. It would be lethal to a cell, by preventing metabalism, if a right-handed molecule was inserted. Can you reconcile this obvious contradiction? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html