Dear Paul, 2nd L.O.T. = 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The stuff that I sent you was simply for your information regarding insurmountable evolutionary problems. I don't have the time to waste having lengthy discussions about a subject I know to be true. It is my experience in talking to evolutionists about their problems that no sooner do I make a valid point to them they then say something like, "Ah yes but what about..." and go off into another area and nothing ever gets resolved. I won't do that anymore because basically I'll only discuss one thing at a time and that is abiogenesis. The level of agreement or disagreement will determine whether I continue the discussion or not. We either resolve this question or we end the discussion. My intransigence on this is because without it there will be nothing to evolve. There is no way that you can get round this statement - it is fundamental, foundational and cannot be by-passed. Therefore I am prepared to discuss the impossibility of abiogenesis and nothing else until it is resolved. What is the obvious contradiction you were referring to below? Regards Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Evolution Jack L From Jack Lewis Wed Sep 12 18:10:56 2007 If you think that the article about abiogenesis is merely an anecdote then you clearly have no idea what evolution is about. If you want more information about what creationists say about the 2nd L. O. T. check out this site http://www.icr.org/article/86/ its not too long an article. [ What is 2nd L. O. T.? ] I was in a bit of a hurry and I'd forgotten about this item. It is not a simple anecdote, but it is a simplistic attempt to disprove an incredibly complex proposition with a few references to carbon atoms and right and left handedness. Then we find this - It has been found that the proteins in living cells are almost all left-handed. It would be lethal to a cell, by preventing metabalism, if a right-handed molecule was inserted. Can you reconcile this obvious contradiction?