[botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence

  • From: "Mark Bing" <bing@xxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:14:58 +0200

Re: [botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata FenceHi Hendrik

The CKGR and Eastern Ghanzi have always been in fairly close proximity, and 
that area has always had predator problems, and probably always will. Farmers 
South of Khutse, keep their animals in at night, in Lion proof kraals, probably 
not a bad idea where you are either. The disadvantage of this system, is you 
need switched on herders to get them all in at night, and calf weaning weights 
drop about 20%, if they are not crib fed in the kraals. However, because the 
bulls are kept in at night too, your conception rates increase substantially, 
as the bulls are available to the cows when they are the most receptive. The 
one offsets the other. However get on top of you pasteurella, and paratyphoid 
vaccinations please, and make sure your cribs dont leak, or you may get 
coccidiosis. Herders on horseback patrolling also helps, ie the more human 
activity the better.
Put branches around your kraals, good for bush clearing your swartak. Put the 
stems of the branches pointing into the kraal, not outwards. This is adequate, 
and the lion should not get in.

Most Lion kills are made at night. A worker should sleep at the kraal, as late 
stragglers often get killed at the front gate waiting to be let in. I found in 
Lobatse, where we dont kill our leopard, that with bomas  I picked up a lot of 
anaplasma, getting the cattle in at night, and your disease  control is a 
little better too. I know all these things mean a little more intensive 
management but it is not a bad idea, re disease control etc.

We are trying and testing these methods economically at the moment, to find the 
positive and negative aspects of these mgts. You could keep good records too, 
and possibly join the predator friendly beef innitiative later, where we hope 
to get a 30% EU premium on beef marketed to the EU.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Elephant Sanctuary 
  To: botswanapredatorforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:17 PM
  Subject: [botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence

  Hear hear Hendrik!


  I have been reading with interest what everybody had to say since the start 
of this debate.


  For the past 10 years we have 4 boreholes in the Phemelo and Makgalo area 
west of the Okavango delta and although we do not farm with cattle - we are 
surrounded by cattle and goat farmers. It is a remote area with very little 
Government activity in the area. I know through experience that the farmers in 
that area do not care what the law or the educated experts who sit in Gabs or 
elsewhere have to say - if lions or wild dogs kill their life stock they track 
them down and destroy them. End of the story.


  They did cut their losses by 95% since they started to kraal their cattle at 
night instead of letting them roam free during the night.


  Not sure what Hendrik and the farmers in his area are doing with their cattle 
at night.


  Chris Kruger



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[mailto:botswanapredatorforum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hendrik Jerling
  Sent: 12 February 2008 03:29 PM
  To: botswanapredatorforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence


  Dear Ladies and Gents


  With respect you are all writing a lot around the issues but the reality is 
there are lions leaving the game parks and coming to the farms killing cattle 
and game on the farms. ( I can only speak for the eastern Ghanzi farms 
bordering the CKGR) We captured at least 15 lions over the past few years at 
our own cost some of the lions were given to DWNP to be released again in the 
CKGR and others were kept in captivity by one Game farmer (with permission and 
monitored so no danger of canned industry by DWNP)

  Last week there were another lion killing 3 cattle which we (very dangerously 
and at our cost) captured again which DWNP released again somewhere in the 
CKGR. We could have shot these lion which would have been mush cheaper and 
safer but we decided for the capture option as farmers are not going out to 
kill all predators we just want to earn a living like everyone else so it is 
easy to sit somewhere reading half of what is happening and then writing long 
letters but not solving the problem.So please come forward with concrete 
solutions to the problems that will benefit all parties.



  Hendrik Jerling 

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Richard White 

    To: botswanapredatorforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

    Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:02 PM

    Subject: [botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence


    Dear Dereck,

    I won't reply in detail but there a few points I would like to make:


    you say:

      can we assume that you can throw some cash at someone and hope that the 
correct education will sort of  find itself?

    People value what contributes to their livelihood and may take care of it 
if they have some proprietorial rights over it. This is just a simple rule of 
economics and easily verified with a little observation:  e.g. ask the question 
"why do people value and care for their livestock?"


    you also say:

      we have a program in Kenya and plans for one in Rwanda where the 
educators are Maasai, (and Rwandan) who are very much part of the community

    Well are they? The cultural gap between urbanised Batswana whose livelihood 
is salary based and rural Batswana whose livelihood depends on natural 
resources is enormous. Consider the parallel comparison of kugels and bagels 
from Jo'burg and your average Boer farmer. They may speak the 'same' language 
and belong to the same tribe but the cultural gap is vast.


    and again:

      are we to write off predators in an ever increasing pattern as livestock 
increases, (as it will) because in essence, livestock and predators are 
unlikely to co exist.

    That maybe the case. What predators require is very large tracts of 
protected land upon which they can maintain viable populations. However, the 
experience of the developed countries suggests that there will not be endless 
unlimited expansion of crop-land or livestock because urbanisation will limit 
human land demands in time. What we do need to do is to focus on raising 
peoples per capita income rapidly and ensuring child survival as these two 
factors together encourage people to limit family size and thus population 



      Can you get it to me? I am happy to assist in this, my limited  
intelligence not withstanding.

    No sorry, a copy has gone to the VP and the Minister of Environment 
Wildlife and Tourism. There are risks in allowing additional copies into the 
open and I have taken enough already.





    Richard White


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