[botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence

  • From: "Elephant Sanctuary" <chrisk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <botswanapredatorforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:17:48 +0200

Hear hear Hendrik!


I have been reading with interest what everybody had to say since the start
of this debate.


For the past 10 years we have 4 boreholes in the Phemelo and Makgalo area
west of the Okavango delta and although we do not farm with cattle - we are
surrounded by cattle and goat farmers. It is a remote area with very little
Government activity in the area. I know through experience that the farmers
in that area do not care what the law or the educated experts who sit in
Gabs or elsewhere have to say - if lions or wild dogs kill their life stock
they track them down and destroy them. End of the story.


They did cut their losses by 95% since they started to kraal their cattle at
night instead of letting them roam free during the night.


Not sure what Hendrik and the farmers in his area are doing with their
cattle at night.


Chris Kruger



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[mailto:botswanapredatorforum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hendrik
Sent: 12 February 2008 03:29 PM
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Subject: [botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence


Dear Ladies and Gents


With respect you are all writing a lot around the issues but the reality is
there are lions leaving the game parks and coming to the farms killing
cattle and game on the farms. ( I can only speak for the eastern Ghanzi
farms bordering the CKGR) We captured at least 15 lions over the past few
years at our own cost some of the lions were given to DWNP to be released
again in the CKGR and others were kept in captivity by one Game farmer (with
permission and monitored so no danger of canned industry by DWNP)

Last week there were another lion killing 3 cattle which we (very
dangerously and at our cost) captured again which DWNP released again
somewhere in the CKGR. We could have shot these lion which would have been
mush cheaper and safer but we decided for the capture option as farmers are
not going out to kill all predators we just want to earn a living like
everyone else so it is easy to sit somewhere reading half of what is
happening and then writing long letters but not solving the problem.So
please come forward with concrete solutions to the problems that will
benefit all parties.



Hendrik Jerling 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Richard White <mailto:rhwhite@xxxxxxxxxx>  

To: botswanapredatorforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:02 PM

Subject: [botswanapredatorforum] Re: Report on Setata Fence


Dear Dereck,

I won't reply in detail but there a few points I would like to make:


you say:

can we assume that you can throw some cash at someone and hope that the
correct education will sort of  find itself?

People value what contributes to their livelihood and may take care of it if
they have some proprietorial rights over it. This is just a simple rule of
economics and easily verified with a little observation:  e.g. ask the
question "why do people value and care for their livestock?"


you also say:

we have a program in Kenya and plans for one in Rwanda where the educators
are Maasai, (and Rwandan) who are very much part of the community

Well are they? The cultural gap between urbanised Batswana whose livelihood
is salary based and rural Batswana whose livelihood depends on natural
resources is enormous. Consider the parallel comparison of kugels and bagels
from Jo'burg and your average Boer farmer. They may speak the 'same'
language and belong to the same tribe but the cultural gap is vast.


and again:

are we to write off predators in an ever increasing pattern as livestock
increases, (as it will) because in essence, livestock and predators are
unlikely to co exist.

That maybe the case. What predators require is very large tracts of
protected land upon which they can maintain viable populations. However, the
experience of the developed countries suggests that there will not be
endless unlimited expansion of crop-land or livestock because urbanisation
will limit human land demands in time. What we do need to do is to focus on
raising peoples per capita income rapidly and ensuring child survival as
these two factors together encourage people to limit family size and thus
population growth.



Can you get it to me? I am happy to assist in this, my limited  intelligence
not withstanding.

No sorry, a copy has gone to the VP and the Minister of Environment Wildlife
and Tourism. There are risks in allowing additional copies into the open and
I have taken enough already.





Richard White


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