[lit-ideas] Re: On Names and Respect
- From: "Walter C. Okshevsky" <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:56:22 -0230
That, of course, is not the apology I, and I'm sure others on this List, await
on grounds of Kantian universalizability or Habermasian grounds of discursive
justification.
But out of a love of mankind (oops, sorry: "personkind") I'm willing to let
this
matter rest, as requested by the offending party. Diotima will be the first to
remind me that I am doing no favours for this individual who clearly still has
something terribly important to learn from this "brouhaha" as she renders it.
In my sleep, Diotima comes to me and laments that Socrates' willingness to
accept his execution has no contemporary resonance with certain forms of
socialization, class acculturation and individuation. Did I say "willingness?"
Pardon me: Diotima made it clear that Socrates *demanded* that he be punished
by
the State. As if any form of clemency would constitute a deep and inexcusable
affront to his dignity as a citizen of Athens and as a philosopher. Some form
of "public penance," as prescribed by one of our resident Poets, appears to be
in order. I take it that the reasons for the publicity here is clear and
distinct to all.
Wondering if Diotima was male, female, or Hermaphorodities her/himself,
Walter O.
Continuing in Solitude
Quoting Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> JE:
> > my apologies to the List for forgetting I'd said
>
>
> I'm sorry, but an apology just won't do. There needs to be some sort of
> public penance and humiliation here. A lesson to all. Were you Catholic,
> I'd recommend at least 3 Hail Marys and one Glory Be. But you're of the
> heresy, therefore sterner stuff is needed to wash away the residue of sin
> that clings to our screens like insect intestines on windshields. Had Pope
> Pius VII in 1816 not condemned torture in turning up witches, then I'd
> recommend the rack to extract a confession of sorcery which we all know is
> the source your headstrong, wicked ways, that and the fact that you're a
> woman.
>
>
>
> > I take it that settles the matter
>
> Judy, Judy, Judy. Nothing is ever settled in this world, things just get
> forgotten for awhile. It always surprises me how parochial we all are. And
> the parochialism starts at the very start of us. My not yet 3 year old
> granddaughter begs me to read her a story and so I do, and two pages into it
> she stops me, angrily denouncing my performance: "You don't read it right!"
> I ignore the affront to my dignity and continue on and she start shouting
> "yay yay yay yay" and covering her ears and kicking her legs. "Listen," I
> tell her, "I have 62 more years of experience with this story than you do. I
> have a BA in English from Sump Pump University. I've studied Theatre in grad
> school. I know how to read a goddamn kid's book!" But it gets me nowhere.
> She knows how it's supposed to be -- and so do we all.
>
>
> Mike Geary
> Rector of Repentance
> Memphis
>
>
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:36 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: On Names and Respect
>
>
>
> I find I did indeed say that, though not immediately. In a response to your
> response to my querying your
>
> > And one from me via Onora on why being a Scrooge is not
> > >> > universalizable:
>
> I said
>
> >Because you were the one who used a first name. Of course you could know
> >her, that is, have met her and also feel able to call her by her first
> >name. But as I suspected, you were simply following your usual rather
> >sexist 'call a woman by her first name' habit, as in 'Hannah' >for '(Hannah)
> Arendt'.
>
> context here:
>
>
//www.freelists.org/post/lit-ideas/A-gift-to-the-List-on-this-Christmas-Day,6
>
> It took four searches to find this, The first unearthed your -- to me --
>
> > I would have said that your remark is terribly sexist and,
> hence, politically
> > incorrect, but with all the recent scholarship into biological
> differences
> > between our two kinds of brains, what does "political
> incorrectness" mean
> > anymore?
>
> from 2006, in
>
>
> //www.freelists.org/post/lit-ideas/A-serious-inquiry-Hannah,9
>
> my apologies to the List for forgetting I'd said
>
>
> >But as I suspected, you were simply following your usual rather >sexist
> 'call a woman by her first name' habit, as in 'Hannah' >for '(Hannah)
> Arendt'.
>
>
>
> > I very much wish to have this matter settled asap, not only
> > for the sake of my
> > own personal and professional reputation, but for all
> > others in this list who
> > risk becoming innocent victims of thoughtless accusations
> > of vice and baseless
> > assessments of our character. Some accusations are simply
> > hurtful; others bear
> > the potential of being distinctly harmful.
> >
> >
>
> I take it that settles the matter
>
> Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
>
>
>
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