Quoting "Walter C. Okshevsky" <wokshevs@xxxxxx>: > That, of course, is not the apology I, and I'm sure others on this List, > await > on grounds of Kantian universalizability or Habermasian grounds of > discursive > justification. > > But out of a love of mankind (oops, sorry: "personkind") I'm willing to let > this > matter rest, as requested by the offending party. Diotima will be the first > to > remind me that I am doing no favours for this individual who clearly still > has > something terribly important to learn from this "brouhaha" as she renders > it. > > In my sleep, Diotima comes to me and laments that Socrates' willingness to > accept his execution has no contemporary resonance with certain forms of > socialization, class acculturation and individuation. Did I say > "willingness?" > Pardon me: Diotima made it clear that Socrates *demanded* that he be > punished > by > the State. As if any form of clemency would constitute a deep and > inexcusable > affront to his dignity as a citizen of Athens and as a philosopher. Some > form > of "public penance," as prescribed by one of our resident Poets, appears to > be > in order. I take it that the reasons for the publicity here is clear and > distinct to all. > > Wondering if Diotima was male, female, or Hermaphorodities her/himself, > > Walter O. > Continuing in Solitude > Erratum: Please change the "is" in the final sentence of my 3rd paragraph of my posting above to "are." After all, respect for grammar may well be a genuine virtue, if not a moral or rational obligation. Query: Is a concern for grammatical correctness at all connected to either the 4 Greek virtues or the 8 Christian virtues or the Kantian regulative ideal of rational autonomy? Do pose the question to the next high school student you encounter. Another query: Does rationality impose any moral obligations in and of itself? Zum beispiel: if I err logically, am I also in violation of a moral law? Walter O. MUN P.S. Witters: Something to the effect that only in certain specific circumstances is the statement "This is my hand" a knowledge claim. Outside of those circumstances, the expression possesses no truth value whatsoever. Now consider the matter of logical eror. > > Quoting Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > JE: > > > my apologies to the List for forgetting I'd said > > > > > > I'm sorry, but an apology just won't do. There needs to be some sort of > > public penance and humiliation here. A lesson to all. Were you Catholic, > > I'd recommend at least 3 Hail Marys and one Glory Be. But you're of the > > heresy, therefore sterner stuff is needed to wash away the residue of sin > > that clings to our screens like insect intestines on windshields. Had > Pope > > Pius VII in 1816 not condemned torture in turning up witches, then I'd > > recommend the rack to extract a confession of sorcery which we all know is > > the source your headstrong, wicked ways, that and the fact that you're a > > woman. > > > > > > > > > I take it that settles the matter > > > > Judy, Judy, Judy. Nothing is ever settled in this world, things just get > > forgotten for awhile. It always surprises me how parochial we all are. > And > > the parochialism starts at the very start of us. My not yet 3 year old > > granddaughter begs me to read her a story and so I do, and two pages into > it > > she stops me, angrily denouncing my performance: "You don't read it right!" > > > I ignore the affront to my dignity and continue on and she start shouting > > "yay yay yay yay" and covering her ears and kicking her legs. "Listen," I > > tell her, "I have 62 more years of experience with this story than you do. > I > > have a BA in English from Sump Pump University. I've studied Theatre in > grad > > school. I know how to read a goddamn kid's book!" But it gets me nowhere. > > > She knows how it's supposed to be -- and so do we all. > > > > > > Mike Geary > > Rector of Repentance > > Memphis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:36 PM > > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: On Names and Respect > > > > > > > > I find I did indeed say that, though not immediately. In a response to > your > > response to my querying your > > > > > And one from me via Onora on why being a Scrooge is not > > > >> > universalizable: > > > > I said > > > > >Because you were the one who used a first name. Of course you could know > > >her, that is, have met her and also feel able to call her by her first > > >name. But as I suspected, you were simply following your usual rather > > >sexist 'call a woman by her first name' habit, as in 'Hannah' >for > '(Hannah) > > Arendt'. > > > > context here: > > > > > //www.freelists.org/post/lit-ideas/A-gift-to-the-List-on-this-Christmas-Day,6 > > > > It took four searches to find this, The first unearthed your -- to me -- > > > > > I would have said that your remark is terribly sexist and, > > hence, politically > > > incorrect, but with all the recent scholarship into biological > > differences > > > between our two kinds of brains, what does "political > > incorrectness" mean > > > anymore? > > > > from 2006, in > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/post/lit-ideas/A-serious-inquiry-Hannah,9 > > > > my apologies to the List for forgetting I'd said > > > > > > >But as I suspected, you were simply following your usual rather >sexist > > 'call a woman by her first name' habit, as in 'Hannah' >for '(Hannah) > > Arendt'. > > > > > > > > > I very much wish to have this matter settled asap, not only > > > for the sake of my > > > own personal and professional reputation, but for all > > > others in this list who > > > risk becoming innocent victims of thoughtless accusations > > > of vice and baseless > > > assessments of our character. Some accusations are simply > > > hurtful; others bear > > > the potential of being distinctly harmful. > > > > > > > > > > I take it that settles the matter > > > > Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html