Robert Paul wrote: "I would hate to think that my students' calling me by a diminutive of my first name was a sign of disrespect." I have not suggested that the use of a teacher's first name is a sign of disrespect. In fact, I pointed out that it was intended to create familiarity, surely something quite difference from disrespect. I had written: "My concern is that the increasing familiarity between students and teachers parallels an increasing tendency to see the world primarily in familiar terms. To paraphrase Heidegger, the tendency is to increasingly see the world in terms of how we use it for our own purposes." to which Robert replies: "I think this is a metaphysical answer to what is surely (if it's anything) a sociological or psychological problem. I have no idea what research Heidegger did to arrive at his conclusion." If the question is whether a thing is what it is used for or whether its uses draw on something internal to the thing, than I am not sure how that is a sociological or psychological problem. Whether the things around us are merely the totality of our familiar ways of interacting with them, or whether they have a _something_ that sets them apart from us as human beings, that is a metaphysical question. My question is, if Heidegger is on to something, if our world is becoming increasingly narrowed down to instrumental relationships, does the use of familiar names between student and teacher reflect a similar narrowing down? And if that is the case, what does it mean for the process of learning? That is not a sociological or psychological problem. Robert wrote: "The false assumption here is that our students' calling us by our first names (for the most part) is a sign of 'familiarity' in the sense of our sharing personal confidences, borrowing each others' clothes, hanging out together...etc." How is it not a sign of familiarity in that sense? If you are 'Bob' sitting beside 'John' who is sitting beside 'Onora' (oops, sorry that should be Baroness O'Neill) then how is that not a sign that in some sense, you are one of the 'dudes'. Students may not be borrowing your clothes for a reason other than your not being familiar in that sense. Robert continues: "You need to say what your idea of being on 'familiar terms' with someone is. 'Encouraging critical thinking' is a fairly diffuse notion, but if you want to claim that the students who were taking part in a close (almost line-by-line) reading of Wittgenstein's Tractatus and Philosophical investigations as a dozen or so of them did in a course that a younger colleague and I taught jointly couple of years ago were not 'engaged' with the texts in the best sense, you need better evidence than that they addressed us by our first names." The issue is not whether students can or cannot engage texts while addressing their teachers by their first names. Engaging a philosophical text is an activity independent of teaching students how to go about the business of such engagement. My question concerns better ways of encouraging such engagement. Here, I am unwisely straying into deep waters were John Wager and Walter O. swim easily. Can the familiarity that characterizes friendship, the agreement, the shared interests and concerns, influence ones ability to think something new, different and strange? Don't we need an opponent, someone who is different, someone with whom we don't agree, don't we need people like that to learn something new? If I am stuck or need inspiration, I don't turn to the writers with whom I agree, but rather the ones I respect but strongly disagree. Doesn't the learning environment need a teacher who is not one of the 'dudes' but someone who can provoke learning by being different, or set apart? It seems to me that when a teacher is addressed in the same fashion as ones 'buds', the ability of the teacher to create a learning environment is ever so slightly diminished. Except, perhaps at Reed. "Again though, your assumption that being on a first-name basis with someone is incompatible with our showing 'respect' for them. This is a very odd thesis." It would be if it were the thesis I was advancing. Rather, I am suggesting that there needs to be a degree of respect that belongs to the role of teacher or peer. Is there a difference between Robert leading a class on the Investigations and Robert meeting students at the local pub and in the course of conversation, the Investigations are discussed? Is there a difference between Robert and a peer discussing the Investigations as part of a panel at the regional Philosophical meetings and Robert running into colleagues in the evening at a restaurant and having the Investigations coming up in conversation? I am suggesting that there is a difference and part of that difference is how we address each other when we occupy those different roles. Robert concludes: "You feel as you feel. Perhaps the fact that we teach at different institutions—different sorts of institutions—explains our different views." That would be a sociological or anthropological answer to a philosophical question. Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html