In a message dated 4/6/2009 9:05:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: The thing is roses cannot smell. No matter how hard they try, they can't. ---- What an excellent thought. And how confusing it (all) is. Indeed, J. O. Urmson wrote about this ("The Object of the Five Senses") in the Annual Philosophical Lecture (Henriette Herz Trust) at the British Academy in Cumberland House, London. Urmson notes: "The senses are five". With 'smell', as Geary notes, the grammar is ambiguous. There's also the animal difference. A blood hound for example, smells better than a chihuahua. And perhaps females smell better than males? Dunno, but let's recall it's Juliet who notes the 'differAnce': 'Tis but thy name [and not the name's denotatum -- i.e. your body that I desire] that is my enemy; Thou art thyself, though not a Montague. What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot, Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part Belonging to a man. [she's thinking, 'prick'] O, be some other name! What's in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; [Note, 'a rose', not '_the_ rose'. And she does not complete the comparative, 'as sweet' ... as what? Possible expansions for Juliet's non-sequitur: (i) A rose by any other name would smell as sweet as a rose by _this_ name. (ii) A rose by any other name would smell as sweet --- as my armpit. ] So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd, [But she is non-sequitur -- she was talking "Montague's prick" and now it's Romeo's prick. Is she on a first-name basis, or what?] Retain that dear perfection which he owes Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name, And for that name which is no part of thee Take all myself. [i.e. possess me] **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621488x1201450096/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html