> Good point Mark, the 15mm and 85mm Zeiss lenses, which are made in Germany, > are similar in price to the equivalent Leica lenses. Absolutely Frank! The other ones should be referred to as ZM lenses And usually are. Should the 15mm and 85mm get referred to as "Zeiss" lenses no ones going to care; mainly because the 15mm and 85mm ARE Zeiss lenses. They are made by Zeiss. And to its customary tolerances. And with its customary high end glass choices. And they compete with Leica very well. Its anybody's guess which is better or more worth getting. Short supremeo teles: Zeiss ZM 85mm f2 Sonnar or the Leica 90 APO ASPH Summicron? High end Superwides: Zeiss ZM 15mm f2.8 Distagon or the Leica 18mm f/3.8 ASPH? None of the above are going to be less than stupendous leaving the run of the mill Canon and Nikon and Cosina stuff in the dust. You get what you pay for. Mark William Rabiner --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list