[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

Hi Carlos,

Machined camera parts, body included, made by CNC machines will be far
better in every respect than ones machined by hand.  Even Rollei most
certainly used CNC machines, not humans, to machine the later TLRs.  And
before that, they most certainly did not hand machine every body etc. they
used jigs.

You clearly don't understand the process of making an electronic device such
as a high end digital camera.  The sensors themselves are very expensive, as
are the ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) that are in these
digital cameras.  There is FAR FAR FAR more "hand" work and craftsmanship
that goes into designing these ASICs, the mechanical design, electronic
packaging, printed circuit boards etc. for these cameras than went into ANY
camera EVER made.  I know, as I design digital imaging devices...including
the ASICs that go into them.  This is not all done by machine.  You don't
understand it, so you can't appreciate it.

Regards,

Austin

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> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
>
>
> Frank, there is a very large difference between a digital camera body
> and a high quality mechanical camera body, the digital camera is a
> group of electric circuits  made by machines, the high quality
> mechanical camera is direct human work, it requires craftmanship, the
> mechanical camera has something that the digital camera never had, has
> or will have, a human heart.
> BTW, a very fine mechanical camera like the Zeiss Ikon RF that you
> could use for 1000 years costs about U$S 950 at B&H NYC, the true
> scandal is the high end digital cameras price.-
>
> Carlos
>
>
> 2009/11/6 FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > Hi Jan,
> > All of the high quality large sensor digital cameras are very expensive.
> > Here in England the Leica M9 is less expensive than some and more than
> > others. In this context not out of step with their competition, if too
> > expensive for most customers. The we would all like to have
> less expensive
> > quality but the reality is that it is not available yet.
> > Really the least expensive top quality item, the Sony, is
> probably a loss
> > leader to get market share.
> > What is economic reality is the cost of these high end items by
> Hasselblad,
> > phase one, Canon, Nikon, Leica et al. Most people can not afford to use
> > equipment at this level.
> > What is probably a scandal is the price of film cameras. They
> have so little
> > in them either technology or componentry. I bet the ZI rangefinder has a
> > -much- bigger profit margin than the Leica M8 or M9.
> > All digital equipment has huge depreciation, be it computers,
> home theater
> > or cameras. This is really only a problem if you were
> investing, or have to
> > have the very latest thing. My daughter has my old 6 or 7
> megapixel Canon
> > dSLR and gets great results, despite it being worth little to
> sell. Would
> > she get better results on prints A4 from the latest 7D? The fact is, not
> > much.
> > Frank Dernie
> >
> > <This is what's happening with the current Leica S2 and M9
> gear. The prices
> > are completely out of step with economic  realities.  Right now
> on the Leica
> > Users Group, there is so much ridiculous reasoning to justify buying the
> > $7000 M9 body hat I had to turn the digest off.   This, after
> everybody just
> > got over buying the already overpriced  M8 - now worth less
> than half its
> > new price!>
> >
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