[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

Austin, It depends about the way you understand the term craftmanship,
and you are assuming that I don't know the work behind a digital
camera and that is a very erronous concept, a wrong idea from your
side. BTW a digital camera is a human product and  is a product of the
human culture and human intelligence, there is no digital camera
without human being, but the difference is that the work behind the
mechanical cameras has a high human component that you can find and
trace up to the artisans from the Ancient times, even if the way to
manufacture a piece changed along the centuries. A gear for a
Rolleiflex made using a CNC machine is a similar gear regarding that
one made using lathes or using the blacksmith hammer, but the
electronic industry is something new that you couldn't trace up to the
balcksmith hammer, if you prefer, the mechanical camera has a human
heart that you can trace up to the prehistoric man, the electronic
industry is new too much to say the same.
I'm afraid I was thinking deeper than you thought Austin.

Carlos


2009/11/6 Austin Franklin <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Carlos,
>
>> ...the digital camera working does not
>> depend directly about the mechanism craftmanship.
>
> That's absolutely incorrect.  So, it just happens by magic?
>
>> I also was talking about the way digital cameras and mechanical
>> cameras are assembled, not the way every part is manufactured, I can
>> assure that a mechanical camera assembly requires more human work than
>> a digital camera
>
> Not necessarily.
>
>> I was not talking about the way every minimal part
>> is manufactured, as for old discussions Austin, you started to change
>> the topic axis fron the beginning and then I stop here.-
>
> I have no idea what you're trying to say there, but here is what you said:
>
> "Frank, there is a very large difference between a digital camera body
> and a high quality mechanical camera body, the digital camera is a
> group of electric circuits  made by machines, the high quality
> mechanical camera is direct human work, it requires craftsmanship, the
> mechanical camera has something that the digital camera never had, has
> or will have, a human heart."
>
> and what I responded to.  You said that mechanical cameras require
> craftsmanship, and digital camera do not.  That is entirely false.  And the
> comment about a human heart, though reasonably esoteric, in comparison
> between the two, is also entirely false.  Again, you really don't understand
> what goes into making a digital camera "work".  If you did, you would
> understand that there is FAR more "craftsmanship" and "human heart" that
> goes into them than have gone into any film camera.  Ever.
>
> I have degrees and am a professional in both mechanical engineering, and
> electrical engineering.  I've designed quite a bit of both.  I intimately
> understand the two.  I know what each takes.  I have a machine shop.  I have
> an electronics lab.  I do this stuff day in and day out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
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