[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

We must be talking about different Zeiss ikon M mount rangefinders. The one I 
am familiar with came out a few years ago and is possibly worth the price. It 
has many Bessa features (I have a Bessa) but is more substantial, but the 
shutter is the same and viewfinder very similar, though the rangefinder base is 
extended. It feels nicer than the Bessa but not as nice as the Leica. I think 
it is not bad value, though personally I have mainly bought film cameras second 
hand.
I am sure you will enjoy it if you buy one.
Frank


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From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, 7 November, 2009 13:57:29
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

Talking about Japanese lenses, some day I will comment a well known
camera design engineer real opinion about the original Zeiss lenses
and Rolleigon Tokina lenses performance for the Rollei 6008 camera, in
spite of the price difference.

Perhaps I need to explain that from the age of 12 years old I got a
real interest about photography and I could compare with photographic
eye my father's Leica IIIf (bought brand new) prints and Voss Diax IIb
Xenon Schneider 2/50 prints (bought brand new) and from that age I
never could understand why the Leica camera was so expensive, I'm not
saying it's a bad camera or that I don't like it, in fact I like
several of the Leica designs, but I still can not find the causes for
the Leica cameras higher cost regarding other cameras with similar or
better general quality, and then I tend to look for good cameras with
a reasonable price. BTW I shot friends of mine Leica cameras, there
also is a very interesting Leica market in my country, I know what I'm
talking about. Leica prices don't have a real justification IMO.

And now to the Zeiss Ikon RF. 1)It's a new design from the scratch and
has nothing to do with Bessa, Cosina or Voigtländer from this point of
view.- 2)The telemeter is a new design and new construction, nothing
to do with other cameras including Leica.- 3) The coupling mechanism
is also new and very exact.- 4) The Copal shutter is the only common
element with other Japanese cameras, but even for this case, Zeiss
improved the shutter very much as you can read in the Erwin Puts
comment.- 5)Lenses are Carl Zeiss lenses and they need to reach the
Zeiss specs from any point of view.- 6) BTW it's not a Leica copy
except for the M mount, if you see the Erwin Puts comment photographs
and the comparison with the Leica M6 and M7 design, the differences
are very clear, starting with the round corners for the leica body and
the right angle corner  for the ZI RF and this is an interesting
point: It was Leica that copied several elements from the pre-war
Contax II for the M3 and then it's paradoxical today that a camera
like the ZI RF that resembles the Contax II could be considered a
Leica copy, it's not true.
I had no possibility to try the ZI RF, but I think and I hope it could
be my new camera for the next year, the body has a price I could
afford with some effort and I'll see the lens afterward;  I always had
a good "instinct" for cameras, and my instinct says this is a very
good camera.-

Carlos



2009/11/7 FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Have you tried one of these things Carlos???? It feels like a lightweight 
> Leica copy, despite what this marketing b*llshit says. The innards are 
> Cosina, like a Bessa or Epson RD1 digital made in the same plant.
> OTOH the lenses are great, Zeiss designs made more cheaply, but still well.
> Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, 7 November, 2009 0:25:28
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
>
> It's a German camera by design, history, appearance  and quality
> control, Carl Zeiss does a second  quality control after to receive
> camera and lenses from Japan, where they already were tested with the
> Zeiss K8 tester machine; CZ sells them directly.
> It looks in general like a modernized and stylized Contax II and like
> the Contax II it has the largest rangefinder basis in the market, this
> is an excerpt from the CZ website:
>
> "When designing a new camera from scratch, there are virtually endless
> options in shaping it. Not every shape, however, is equally useful,
> equally successful, equally beautiful, equally affordable. How should
> we at Zeiss select the shape for the new Zeiss Ikon camera and for its
> lenses?
>
> "Well – the new Zeiss Ikon camera should come with a body that, first
> of all, enables positive grip with European size male hands. This, to
> us, is a very important requirement, something which seems to be much
> less important to many makers of consumer digital cameras and cell
> phones.
>
> And the new Zeiss Ikon also should, to a certain extent, resemble the
> cameras that made the name Zeiss Ikon famous over many decades in
> camera history. It also should be easily differentiated from other
> current 35 mm rangefinder cameras, which might be placed next to the
> new Zeiss Ikon camera in a dealer’s shop window or on a catalogue or
> magazine page."
>
> Carlos
>
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