[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
- From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:17:09 -0300
Perhaps Hauke did not know that the "new" Zeiss Ikon RF camera was
born from a meeting during the 2002 Photokina between Hirofumi
Kobayashi, the Cosina President and fine mechanics fan with Dr
Winfried Scherle, Carl Zeiss Camera Lens Division head, Cosina is the
same manufacturer Hauke mentioned as making high quality cameras and
lenses labeled "Voigtländer".
The design bureau Henssler & Schultheiss linked to Carl Zeiss for
several projects along the years studied old Zeiss Ikon cameras
designs very much and did the final design that CZ preferred regarding
the Porsche design (consulted for the project too). CZ and Cosina
engineers had several meetings to develop the final production
prototype considering the highest standard for the camera manafucture
but also considering the camera price to do an affordable product.
This camera allowed CZ to build some lenses they could not make due to
a lack of a right platform.
There is nothing hollow about the new Zeiss Ikon RF camera.
Carlos
2009/11/6, Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>:
> Hauke,
> Throwing in the Zeiss Ikon with some of these Chinese-made rebranded
> "Rollei" things is not really fair. The ZM cameras and lenses are a
> well-reasoned compromise by Zeiss Oberkochen in a tough ecomomy and they are
> collaborating with a producer in Japan whose lenthusiasm for rangefinders
> has helped RF cameras to survive and be affordable today.
>
> I use two Cosina-made Zeiss lenses (21mm and 35mm C-Biogons) whose
> price-performance ratio is excellent(!!) and I am thinking of buying another
> one (1.5/50 Sonnar or 4/85Tele-Tessar). I also have used the 1.4/40mm CV
> lens and might consider buying the new collapsible nickel 2.0/50 Heliar for
> my M3 (an actual Heliar design!)
>
> I too was hopeful that the new Zeiss Ikon would be closer to the classic
> Contax IIa/IIIa - fully manual with selftimer and the cassic finger
> wheely... But, I am sure, If a true Contax successor was built in Germany
> we would probably not be able to afford it.
>
> This is what's happening with the current Leica S2 and M9 gear. The prices
> are completely out of step with economic realities. Right now on the Leica
> Users Group, there is so much ridiculous reasoning to justify buying the
> $7000 M9 body hat I had to turn the digest off. This, after everybody just
> got over buying the already overpriced M8 - now worth less than half its
> new price!
>
> I think, Zeiss wanted to avoid this trend (also learning from its earlier
> mistakes!) and designed a mid-priced M-mount camera and lenses, a decision
> I highly commend - because it actually makes it possible for me to enjoy new
> Zeiss glass on a whole variety of cameras.
>
> If F&H, in order to survive, had to move production to Japan, it would be
> very sad, but Japan clearly has excellent craftsmen and a viable market for
> classic designs - and maybe than I could afford the FW I can not currently
> afford...
> Jan
>
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> From: Hauke Fath <hauke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: The other Rollei, the true Rollei.
>
> Just like Voigtländer (to which F&H {old} did the same after they took over
>
> the fab from Zeiss Ikon). We're lucky that the Cosina guy picked up the
>
> Voigtländer brand to label high-quality cameras and lenses - "Rollei"
>
> labels mp3 players and usb sticks.
>
> This is the New World - move production to China, and make a profit off the
>
> "intellectual properties". Look at the New Zeiss Ikon, btw - it's the same
>
> hollow construct.
>
> Make that: repacked. I am pretty sure that the Chinese companies who build
>
> the cheap digital p&s cameras offer custom "branded" shells.
>
> When the person who invested last into F&H {new} announced the company was
>
> broke, he hinted at the fact that F&H was little more than the workbenches.
>
> All rights to products remained with Rollei GmbH, tools and machines were
>
> leased. Makes you think the fab was spun off to exactly that goal.
>
> Sure, anything that makes money, as long as the brand is still warm.
>
> That's the new economy.
>
> Amen, brother.
>
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