[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
- From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:16:44 -0300
All that technology does not mean a high end digital camera produces a
better image than a high end film mechanical camera, this is one of
the main points to me, these digital cameras are a very expensive
sophism, except if you use them as a professional photographer linked
to photojournalism or some other area requiring images massive
production.-
Carlos
2009/11/6 FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Carlos,
> the digital cameras I use are a Canon EOS 1Ds mk2, a Canon EOS 5d, a Nikon
> D3x, a Nikon D300, a Nikon D700, a Leica M8.2, a Leica M9 and a Panasonic
> GH1. They are all VERY similar to the 35mm film cameras I use but instead of
> a simple winding mechanism and a space to put film they have a great deal of
> high tech electronics and astonishing technology sensor. They all have a
> shutter and focussing system similar to or better than their film equivalents.
> Certainly your description would be not all that inaccurate for camera phones
> and some P&S digitals, bt that is completely out of this context since we are
> talking about quality cameras, not instamatics.
> I find the difference between my Leica M6 and M9 to use is small, and I can
> easily see why it is much more expensive to make, and hence to buy.
> cheers,
> Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, 6 November, 2009 17:24:48
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
>
> Frank, there is a very large difference between a digital camera body
> and a high quality mechanical camera body, the digital camera is a
> group of electric circuits made by machines, the high quality
> mechanical camera is direct human work, it requires craftmanship, the
> mechanical camera has something that the digital camera never had, has
> or will have, a human heart.
> BTW, a very fine mechanical camera like the Zeiss Ikon RF that you
> could use for 1000 years costs about U$S 950 at B&H NYC, the true
> scandal is the high end digital cameras price.-
>
> Carlos
>
>
> 2009/11/6 FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> Hi Jan,
>> All of the high quality large sensor digital cameras are very expensive.
>> Here in England the Leica M9 is less expensive than some and more than
>> others. In this context not out of step with their competition, if too
>> expensive for most customers. The we would all like to have less expensive
>> quality but the reality is that it is not available yet.
>> Really the least expensive top quality item, the Sony, is probably a loss
>> leader to get market share.
>> What is economic reality is the cost of these high end items by Hasselblad,
>> phase one, Canon, Nikon, Leica et al. Most people can not afford to use
>> equipment at this level.
>> What is probably a scandal is the price of film cameras. They have so little
>> in them either technology or componentry. I bet the ZI rangefinder has a
>> -much- bigger profit margin than the Leica M8 or M9.
>> All digital equipment has huge depreciation, be it computers, home theater
>> or cameras. This is really only a problem if you were investing, or have to
>> have the very latest thing. My daughter has my old 6 or 7 megapixel Canon
>> dSLR and gets great results, despite it being worth little to sell. Would
>> she get better results on prints A4 from the latest 7D? The fact is, not
>> much.
>> Frank Dernie
>>
>> <This is what's happening with the current Leica S2 and M9 gear. The prices
>> are completely out of step with economic realities. Right now on the Leica
>> Users Group, there is so much ridiculous reasoning to justify buying the
>> $7000 M9 body hat I had to turn the digest off. This, after everybody just
>> got over buying the already overpriced M8 - now worth less than half its
>> new price!>
>>
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