[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

Hi Eric,

Even some of the most artistic "things" out there aren't very well
"crafted".  There certainly is a huge distinction between craftsmanship and
artisanship in a lot of cases.

To you question, that depends on the item.

Regards,

Austin

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:08 PM
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
>
>
> This raises an interesting question. Here is a thought puzzle... Think
> about a Tiffany lamp. Or a Chihuly piece of art glass. Or a Barcelona
> Chair. These objects are all executed in quantity by craftsmen under
> artistic supervision. Some by hand, some by machine.
> If the design were poor or uninspired but the supervision in execution
> was superb, is there still a high level of craftsmanship?
>
>
> Eric Goldstein
>
> --
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Austin Franklin
> <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > "Craftsmanship" must be considered throughout the entire process.  Just
> > because something is "hand assembled" doesn't mean it's
> "better".  If the
> > design is not done properly up front, film or digital, then the final
> > product will suffer as well, no matter how much hand involvement is done
> > during manufacturing.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Austin
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Marc James Small
> >> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:54 PM
> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
> >>
> >>
> >> At 12:44 PM 11/6/2009, Austin Franklin wrote:
> >>  >Hi Carlos,
> >>  >
> >>  >Machined camera parts, body included, made by CNC machines
> will be far
> >>  >better in every respect than ones machined by hand.  Even Rollei most
> >>  >certainly used CNC machines, not humans, to machine the
> later TLRs.  And
> >>  >before that, they most certainly did not hand machine every
> >> body etc. they
> >>  >used jigs.
> >>  >
> >>  >You clearly don't understand the process of making an
> >> electronic device such
> >>  >as a high end digital camera.  The sensors themselves are very
> >> expensive, as
> >>  >are the ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) that
> >> are in these
> >>  >digital cameras.  There is FAR FAR FAR more "hand" work and
> >> craftsmanship
> >>  >that goes into designing these ASICs, the mechanical design,
> electronic
> >>  >packaging, printed circuit boards etc. for these cameras than
> >> went into ANY
> >>  >camera EVER made.  I know, as I design digital imaging
> >> devices...including
> >>  >the ASICs that go into them.  This is not all done by machine.
> >> You don't
> >>  >understand it, so you can't appreciate it.
> >>
> >> Austin
> >>
> >> I believe that the point was being made on the
> >> manufacture of digital cameras, not on their
> >> design.  I agree that the production of both
> >> today is essentially by CNC machines with a minimum of skinware
> >> intervention.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
> >> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
> >>
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