[rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
- From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:15:57 -0800 (PST)
Hi Carlos,
the digital cameras I use are a Canon EOS 1Ds mk2, a Canon EOS 5d, a Nikon D3x,
a Nikon D300, a Nikon D700, a Leica M8.2, a Leica M9 and a Panasonic GH1. They
are all VERY similar to the 35mm film cameras I use but instead of a simple
winding mechanism and a space to put film they have a great deal of high tech
electronics and astonishing technology sensor. They all have a shutter and
focussing system similar to or better than their film equivalents.
Certainly your description would be not all that inaccurate for camera phones
and some P&S digitals, bt that is completely out of this context since we are
talking about quality cameras, not instamatics.
I find the difference between my Leica M6 and M9 to use is small, and I can
easily see why it is much more expensive to make, and hence to buy.
cheers,
Frank
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From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, 6 November, 2009 17:24:48
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
Frank, there is a very large difference between a digital camera body
and a high quality mechanical camera body, the digital camera is a
group of electric circuits made by machines, the high quality
mechanical camera is direct human work, it requires craftmanship, the
mechanical camera has something that the digital camera never had, has
or will have, a human heart.
BTW, a very fine mechanical camera like the Zeiss Ikon RF that you
could use for 1000 years costs about U$S 950 at B&H NYC, the true
scandal is the high end digital cameras price.-
Carlos
2009/11/6 FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Jan,
> All of the high quality large sensor digital cameras are very expensive.
> Here in England the Leica M9 is less expensive than some and more than
> others. In this context not out of step with their competition, if too
> expensive for most customers. The we would all like to have less expensive
> quality but the reality is that it is not available yet.
> Really the least expensive top quality item, the Sony, is probably a loss
> leader to get market share.
> What is economic reality is the cost of these high end items by Hasselblad,
> phase one, Canon, Nikon, Leica et al. Most people can not afford to use
> equipment at this level.
> What is probably a scandal is the price of film cameras. They have so little
> in them either technology or componentry. I bet the ZI rangefinder has a
> -much- bigger profit margin than the Leica M8 or M9.
> All digital equipment has huge depreciation, be it computers, home theater
> or cameras. This is really only a problem if you were investing, or have to
> have the very latest thing. My daughter has my old 6 or 7 megapixel Canon
> dSLR and gets great results, despite it being worth little to sell. Would
> she get better results on prints A4 from the latest 7D? The fact is, not
> much.
> Frank Dernie
>
> <This is what's happening with the current Leica S2 and M9 gear. The prices
> are completely out of step with economic realities. Right now on the Leica
> Users Group, there is so much ridiculous reasoning to justify buying the
> $7000 M9 body hat I had to turn the digest off. This, after everybody just
> got over buying the already overpriced M8 - now worth less than half its
> new price!>
>
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