I really dont know. I know that visitors with the appropriate boiler cert are welcomed, and can drive round, but as for hauling passengers, I have no idea. Yes, I feel that it is OTT. Fortunately there are many other activities apart from hauling passengers. Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Purslow" <bpduo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Aah.........now I begin to see where you are coming from. This little lot does seem to be somewhat over the top. But, tell me, what would happen if I, who has driven steam loco's for many years but has no documentary evidence, visited your club with a big shiny engine and offered to haul passengers? Barrie MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.