Alan, Couldn't agree more we have a similar programme in our club, in reality I have been making and driving miniature locos for getting on thirty years, the last thing I need is some pillock without a loco and having never constructed one telling me how to drive one look after or run one! I don't have to attend the driver training but with all the fuss I am begining to wonder if its worth being in a club or running publicly. I enjoy my hobby but am sure I could enjoy it just as much in my own garden with a smaller gauge loco ~~~ could even enjoy a pint or two at the same time without upsetting some other pillock. Id better stop now before I get into trouble bit I can really get upset with this sort of thing. Often its a case of those who think they know what theyr'e doing are annoying those of us who do. Regards IDP "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!" "Never drive faster than your gaurdian angel can fly" Priest & Sons Model Engineers http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan stepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:08 AM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Accidents Apart from a boiler certificate, many clubs now require police clearance of each driver. My club, like some others, requries drivers to have gone through a driver training programme, have the appropriate certificate, and carry a log book around for that.:- This year's training schedule will include: Learning to prepare a steam locomotive for use on the track Track safety and signals Cleaning and placing 'on-shed' a locomotive after use Driving and control of a 'diesel' Correct use of signals and official duties of station control and guard Driving with passengers The Driver training scheme is intended to prepare drivers for running trains safely on public running days. Included in the training is a log-book to be maintained by each trainee signifying hours spent driving on any track with any locomotive. Then, for many events, there is the Risk Assesment to be prepared and submitted beforehand, accident books, logs, etc etc.... I have probably missed some out, but that lot is enough to turn a hobby into work. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Purslow" <bpduo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> And long may they continue to do so but I still don't see your point about the "plethora of rules and regulations" involved in public running. I've never come across them - what are they? Barrie MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 09/08/2006 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.