Alan, In other words we will completely ignore old Al Messy's offer to discuss openly my problem with the Newbie derailing at MSLS a couple of years ago??? I figure that Tel will chime in on the subject also. One can really find out who his "friends" are in a situation like this. Jesse the Redneck Thank goodness there isnt. However, over the course of time, the list of "near misses", would, no doubt, be an impressive one, at which point some authority or other is virtually certain to use it to prove how dangerous our hobby is, and from that point onward, we would be tightly regulated, if indeed we were allowed to continue at all. Alan MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.