[modeleng] Re: Accidents
- From: "I.D.PRIEST." <idpriest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:24:00 +0100
Peter,
I agree Peter it is a subject which needs airing. I guess that the other
question which needs to be asked is 'what about all the other people on the
train', do we ask passengers for CRB certificate. After all there is more
chance of an incident taking place there than with the driver who is both
pre-occupied and knows he is in the public gaze.
I just think that its easy to take matters too far too easily and without
just cause thereby causing the huge majority to become in reality victims
themselves.
There was a knee jerk reaction to a shooting some years ago which resulted
in a huge curbing of amateur held firearms together with a tightenning of
the regulations. I have no facts or figures but I wonder how many crimes
have been committed with legaly held firearms and how many by illegally held
firearms.
We do not want the same knee jerk type reation to overtake our hobby. What
we do need is some well thought out guidelines that are measured and
appropriate to the level / degree of threat of incident.
The other point to add is that if a responsible person feels that his local
model engineering club posses a threat to his / her child why then might
they let them ride on the railway. Perhaps parents ought to have some sort
of check to show they are competent. To lighten what could easily get out of
hand and to offer some humour, my son suggests that child prams ought to be
MOT'd just to be on the safe side!
Regards,
IDP
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other,
body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a
Ride!"
"Never drive faster than your gaurdian angel can fly"
Priest & Sons Model Engineers
http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Sheppard" <puffernutter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: [modeleng] Re: Accidents
Ian,
This is now getting to be a very emotive issue, but oner that model
engineering socities that give rides to the public will have to face.
The problem today is that we need to take steps to ensure that we are
"whiter than white" I have been through ther police check for Lackham
(mind you a few years ago my wife was a childminder so I had a very
thorough check then.
I can understand peoples reluctance, seeing ot as yet another
"intrusion" but if people have nothing to hide, why should it bother
them, it is "insurance" for both them and the club. Another example of
reducing risk ALARP in my opinion.
Also another contentious subject, so I will await with interest other
people's views.
Cheers
Peter
On Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:42, I.D.PRIEST. wrote:
> Gents,
>
> Is someone having a laugh, Police checks for model engineers. The
> problrm
> is not having to have a check done they can be provided free of charge
> if
> you know who to apply to but consider this.
>
> Firstly where is the eveidence to show a need for this, how many
> incidents
> have there been where young people have been put at risk.
>
> Secondly, anyone who chooses not to submit to the checks would
> theoretically
> not be able to attend any public meetings. They also run the risk of
> being
> socialy excluded.
>
> Thirdly why only drivers, what about gaurds, station staff, people
> working
> round the place making tea perhaps, the list could go on and on for
> why.
>
> Some might be offended by the thought that others think that because
> they
> play trains they are automatically offenders of a most vile nature.
>
> Rules and regulations are made for the guidence of wise men and the
> disobedience of fools. They also need to be made where there is a
> need,
> which in itself has to come from a real purpose evidenced by fact.
>
> Regards IDP
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving
> safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
> sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other,
> body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What
> a
> Ride!"
>
> "Never drive faster than your gaurdian angel can fly"
>
> Priest & Sons Model Engineers
> http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barrie Purslow" <bpduo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:22 PM
> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Accidents
>
>
> Alan,
>
>
>> Apart from a boiler certificate, many clubs now require police
>> clearance
>> of
>> each driver.
>
> I've never been asked for police clearance at any club I have ever run
> at.
> Furthermore I've never heard of anybody or anybody who knows anybody
> who has
> come across this. Is this something which is common practice "down
> South"?
>
>> My club, like some others, requries drivers to have gone through a
>> driver
>> training programme, have the appropriate certificate, and carry a log
>> book
>> around for that.:-
>>
>> This year's training schedule will include:
>> Learning to prepare a steam locomotive for use on the track
>> Track safety and signals
>> Cleaning and placing 'on-shed' a locomotive after use
>> Driving and control of a 'diesel'
>> Correct use of signals and official duties of station control and
>> guard
>> Driving with passengers
>>
>> The Driver training scheme is intended to prepare drivers for running
>> trains safely on public running days. Included in the training is a
>> log-book to be maintained by each trainee signifying hours spent
>> driving
>> on
>> any track with any locomotive.
>>
>> Then, for many events, there is the Risk Assesment to be prepared and
>> submitted beforehand, accident books, logs, etc etc....
>
> Aah.........now I begin to see where you are coming from. This little
> lot
> does seem to be somewhat over the top. But, tell me, what would happen
> if I,
> who has driven steam loco's for many years but has no documentary
> evidence,
> visited your club with a big shiny engine and offered to haul
> passengers?
>
>
> Barrie
>
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