Hang on a second! Yes, it is true, you can get a true grade 5 from color heads on many papers. But, negative development has nothing to do with that. Paper contrast is measured as a log exposure range of the paper. This is independent of the negative, and consequently, not related to negative development. Regards Ralph W. Lambrecht On 1/13/05 11:46 PM, "Rob Champagne" <app@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think we agree on this. My point was merely to dispell the myth that it is > not possible to get a true G5 with dichroic filtration and that with suitable > neg development it is possible. Having done this if you then use an ilford MG > filter G5 the resulting print contrast would be G5+ > > robc > > At 13/01/2005 14:01 -0800, you wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rob Champagne" <app@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:56 AM >> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: New color head "discoveries" >> >> >>> big snip >>> >>>> The filters of a color head will not give you the full >>>> range of contrast available from VC paper with the use of >>>> dedicated filters. They should give you a couple contrast >>>> grades on either side of "normal" but filters should be >>>> used >>>> to obtain the maximum and minimum contrast values. >>> >>> big snip >>> >>>> --- >>>> Richard Knoppow >>> >>> I wonder whether my observation is true for other dichroic >>> filter head enlargers. >>> The Ilford Y+M figures for grade 2 on my Durst CLS501 head >>> enlarger give approx an ISO grade 1 result on paper. >>> It occurs to me that because dichroic filtration does not >>> seem to give as much contrast as filter sets, and because >>> most new enlargers have dichroic heads, that Ilford, and >>> maybe other manufacturers, use this to its advantage in >>> terms of film speed. >>> To get a true ISO grade 2 using ilfords G2 Y+M figures for >>> my enlarger I have to give the negative more development >>> which in turn gives allows a faster film speed. >>> So what I'm speculating here is that modern film speeds >>> may be tailored by the manufacturers to suit printing on >>> dichroic heads with Y+M filtration. >>> It should be noted that by using increased development of >>> the negative the overall contrast obtainable from a >>> dichroic is not far short of a true G5 and if you take neg >>> development far enough then a true G5 is obtainable from a >>> dichroic head. >>> >>> It all depends on what you are tailoring your development >>> to. Do it to 0 filtration and your negs will be too soft >>> for G5 on dichroic settings. Do it to G2 Y+M settings of >>> your dichroic head and you will get faster film speed and >>> availability of higher contrast in your print. >>> >> What are the other conditions of the comparison? Are the >> filters being used in the same enlarger or a different >> enlarger? What I am trying to get at is that if the filters >> are being used in a condenser enlarger the difference in >> contrast will be due to that. Color heads are very diffuse >> sources. The type of light makes little or no difference to >> the dye images of color but will change the silver image >> film about one paper grade. >> If the settings of the color head re right for the paper >> it should exactly duplicate the contrast of a filter for >> that grade. The limitation of the color head is that it may >> not be able to reach the extremes of the contrast range of >> the paper. This is normally of little consequence. >> Since ISO film speed is measured at a fixed contrast >> (about right for diffusion printing) a change in contrast >> will result in a change of effective speed. changing the >> contrast up or down about one paper grade will result in a >> change in film speed of around 3/4 stop up or down. Changing >> either film conrast or paper contrast should have exactly >> the same effect on the print. >> >> --- >> Richard Knoppow >> Los Angeles, CA, USA >> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> ============================================================================= >> ================================ >> To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your >> account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you >> subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > ============================================================================== > =============================== > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) > and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.