Well no I'm not referring to log numbers at all. I've been through the= numbers game and I have a densitometer and can do numbers if required but I= much prefer the practical evaluation method. The best way to do that in my= opinion is by using the AA method of adjusting neg development based on= printing the 11 square patches as illustrated in the negative. I have a= template I cut from mountboard which fits an 8x10 piece of paper. I just= print my zone 0 thru 10 test negs onto a piece of paper using my standard= print developer etc at the given figures for G2 Y+M on my enlarger. If the= shadows aren't separated enough then I use some more film exposure. If the= highlights need pulling back I reduce development. The result is that I= know that my negs fit exactly onto a G2 setting and any discrepancies can= be adjusted with contrast control on the enlarger. There is no need for= number ranges. =20 Once again, it all depends on what enlarger filtration(if any) you use to= calibrate your neg development. Problems may arise if you use both graded= and VCpaper but thats your choice, i.e. you calibrate for one or the other= with or without filtration. Obviously you can do your calibration to how ever many stops of range you= like, eg 8, 9 or 10 etc. And yes, I know AA says paper batches vary from batch to batch so he didn't= like calibrating to paper, but they are going to do that regardless of what= your neg dev is calibrated to, so using an arbitrary paper batch (i.e. the= paper batch you have to hand) to do your calibration on, is no worse than= not calibrating to an arbitrary log range which you have to first work out= to know what it is anyway. At 13/01/2005 18:55 +0100, you wrote: >I assume you are talking about the log exposure range, when referring to >numbers from 0.6 to 1.8. >Well, log ER 0.6 is about grade 4.8, log ER 0.8 is grade 3.5 and log ER= 1.55 >is grade 0. A log ER of 0.8 is a bit low, but otherwise, you are not all >that far off workable conditions. > >As Richard said, dedicated VC filters get the most contrast range from VC >papers, but I argue that you don=B9t need that. If I could only get grade 1= to >3.5 from my color head (I do actually get 0 to 5), I could still print 98% >of my negatives. Sometimes I use a VC filter 5 to burn-in some local areas, >but otherwise, the extended contrast range of filters is true but >over-rated. And using a hard-contrast filter in addition to a color head is >actually very convenient, since it avoids resetting the dials. > >I don=B9t see a real problem here. > > > > > >Regards > > > >Ralph W. Lambrecht > > > > > > > >On 1/13/05 1:39 AM, "J.R. Stewart" <jrstewart@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Well, my Omega Chromega Dichro DII came in last weekend and I've begun >> testing. with VC papers. First VC I've printed in 20 years. >>=20 >> I've been using metol glycine based Ansco130 paper developer (modified by= AA >> and without hydroquinone).That's where I started. Problem is, the hardest >> contrast I was able to get with 0Y/170M was about 0.8 on Forte Polygrade= V >> (boy is that paper really blue!!) and about 0.6 on Kodak Polymax Fine= Art. >> The softest contrast comes in about right at 1.8 (polymax) and 1.4 >> (polygrade). >>=20 >> Glycine is a much softer developer.. is that why I'm able to get no more >> than ISO ~3.5 on the VC papers... do the emulsions require stronger >> developers for satisfactory development? I tested my graded papers under >> white light exposure, developed them in A130, and acquired the right= scale. >> I developed all the test prints at 6x factorial so I would think that= would >> be sufficient, and I was able to get max black. >>=20 >> I ran an Ansco 120 test last night. The test prints look better, but= haven't >> read them yet. >>=20 >> Also, I learned that both of these paper are very sensitive to the Thomas >> safelite... I ran a screening test and at 5 minutes exposure I got fog= that >> appeared as Zone VI reflectance.. So, I move the safelight, unplug it, or >> change papers to one less sensitive, and retest. Such is life. >>=20 >> J.R. Stewart >> Leesburg, VA=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your >> account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you= subscribed,) >> and unsubscribe from there. > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your= account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you= subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.=20 ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.