[lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:45:44 -0800
Iraq has become a training ground for Islamist terrorists because they
(unlike media lulled Americans) realize how important Iraq is. They are
pulling out all the stops in an attempt to get us to pull out prematurely so
they can defeat the democratically elected government over there.
There are more people who don't wish us to be conquered by the Islamists
than you imagine, Mike. The bulk of the Iraqis don't wish to be thus
conquered and even such fellow-traveling nations as France seem to be
falling out of love with the Islamists.
American and Western leftists haven't given up on them yet because "the
enemy of my enemy is my friend," but I've read what the Islamists believe
and don't believe that marriage can last either.
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Geary
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:24 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Welcome back to the fray, Lawrence. I was hoping you'd reappear someday.
I've missed you, man. I think you must be the last living supporter of this
war.
"The war against Iraq has been a tremendous success in the war against the
Islamists."
Amen. We've turned all that around. Sure those slippery devils sometimes
sneak into the Green Zone to blow people up, but that's fairly rare. The
Green Zone is clearly under our control. We've introduced the ultimate
Gated Community into a foreign culture -- they've got to be impressed with
our way of life. Go America!!
But, you know, Lawrence, even your Stasi hero Bush has admitted that Iraq
has become a training ground for terrorists. Hmmm. Oh, but wait, you said
the war against the Islamists, not the terrorists. I stand corrected.
Mike Geary
Memphis
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From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Thanks: It shouldn't be beyond you that I support this present war or
compare it to WWII, but I know where you get your info so I'm not surprised
that it is. In WWII we were attacked by adherents of fascist philosophies
who hoped to conquer us. On 9/11 we were attacked by adherents of a fascist
ideology who hoped to conquer us. (And that wasn't the first attack or the
first declaration of war against us by adherents of this ideology.)
Information about the Fascist regimes of WWII was readily available to the
curious. Information about Islamist Fascist regimes and strategies is also
available to the curious.
Since I am not a pacifist I do not wish to be conquered by the Islamists. I
don't even want our nation to be attacked by them. Furthermore, since I
have been curious about the players I have spent a lot of time checking them
out. Iraq was an enormous impediment in the way of our war against the
Islamists. The war against Iraq has been a tremendous success in the war
against the Islamists. You of course won't have heard that yet, but you
will.
Of course the Islamists are slippery devils ready to pull the wool over the
eyes of the unwary. See Andre Nusse's Muslim Palestine as an example of how
they operate. The Islamists don't fit the Western preconception of Nation
States. Sayyid Qutb didn't believe in the separation of the ummah into
nations. This information is available to the curious and energetic.
Thus, since the Islamists have declared war against us, we who aren't
pacifists, seek to oppose them. The Middle East, thanks to WWI and
especially the British and French is messy. They split the Middle East up
in awkward national groupings. The Islamists want to do away with all
borders although as Nusse indicates, local Islamist groups can support
political factions that provide them with some advantage. They can never
settle for such agreements as ultimate solutions, but they can agree to them
keeping the word "temporary" in the forefront of their thinking. Islamists
function in and have agreements with factions and regimes throughout the
Middle East and in all Islamic nations. Fighting them is going to be
difficult. It is going to require imagination. Alas, we shall probably get
very very bloody before we (as a nation) acquire any.
Lawrence
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From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:35 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Lawrence, welcome back! Glad to see that you're still supporting this war.
How you can compare this war to WWII is beyond me, but welcome back anyway.
It's good to see your post.
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