[lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape

  • From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:38:47 -0800

You are giving me a headache with your non sequiturs.  I didn't discuss the
"importance," but I do believe it is a necessary war.  It can become more
important if we dilly dally and let them win more than we ought to let them
win.  You have introduced several tangents which don't seem important.  We
have an implacable enemy.  We may or may not be fighting him as
enthusiastically as we ought.  From the fact that so many people want us to
withdraw prematurely from Iraq (to the delight of Osama) it is clear that
millions don't understand the "importance" of fighting this enemy.   So
perhaps the people you refer to as not doing something right ought to be
given some slack for not fighting them as well as they might.  





From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:25 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape


Well, if it was such an important war, why wasn't it fought more seriously?
Why did the Army have to laugh at their proposal and insist on a larger army
than what Rove & Co. wanted, and still be nowhere close to what was needed?
Why was there no plan for after Baghdad fell?  Why did we go to war with the
army we had instead of the army we needed (a paraphrase)?  Why cut taxes
when the money is needed for military spending to fund the army to fight
this war that we need so desperately?  Yadda yadda.  In short, why was it
not waged as if it was an important war?  If you say it was the Democrats'
fault, then you're passing the buck.  The Republicans run the show and he
had everybody's approval in any case.



----- Original Message ----- 

From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>  Helm 

To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: 1/20/2006 8:13:44 PM 

Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape


Thanks:  It shouldnt be beyond you that I support this present war or
compare it to WWII, but I know where you get your info so Im not surprised
that it is.  In WWII we were attacked by adherents of fascist philosophies
who hoped to conquer us.  On 9/11 we were attacked by adherents of a fascist
ideology who hoped to conquer us.  (And that wasnt the first attack or the
first declaration of war against us by adherents of this ideology.)
Information about the Fascist regimes of WWII was readily available to the
curious.  Information about Islamist Fascist regimes and strategies is also
available to the curious.


Since I am not a pacifist I do not wish to be conquered by the Islamists.  I
dont even want our nation to be attacked by them.  Furthermore, since I
have been curious about the players I have spent a lot of time checking them
out.  Iraq was an enormous impediment in the way of our war against the
Islamists.  The war against Iraq has been a tremendous success in the war
against the Islamists.  You of course wont have heard that yet, but you


Of course the Islamists are slippery devils ready to pull the wool over the
eyes of the unwary.  See Andre Nusses Muslim Palestine as an example of how
they operate.  The Islamists dont fit the Western preconception of Nation
States.  Sayyid Qutb didnt believe in the separation of the ummah into
nations.  This information is available to the curious and energetic.


Thus, since the Islamists have declared war against us, we who arent
pacifists, seek to oppose them.  The Middle East, thanks to WWI and
especially the British and French is messy.  They split the Middle East up
in awkward national groupings.  The Islamists want to do away with all
borders although as Nusse indicates, local Islamist groups can support
political factions that provide them with some advantage.  They can never
settle for such agreements as ultimate solutions, but they can agree to them
keeping the word temporary in the forefront of their thinking.  Islamists
function in and have agreements with factions and regimes throughout the
Middle East and in all Islamic  nations.  Fighting them is going to be
difficult.  It is going to require imagination.  Alas, we shall probably get
very very bloody before w e (as a nation) acquire any.





From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:35 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape


Lawrence, welcome back!  Glad to see that you're still supporting this war.
How you can compare this war to WWII is beyond me, but welcome back anyway.
It's good to see your post.



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