[lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape

  • From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:23:38 -0600

Welcome back to the fray, Lawrence.  I was hoping you'd reappear someday.  I've 
missed you, man.  I think you must be the last living supporter of this war.

"The war against Iraq has been a tremendous success in the war against the 

Amen.  We've turned all that around.  Sure those slippery devils sometimes 
sneak into the Green Zone to blow people up, but that's fairly rare.  The Green 
Zone is clearly under our control.  We've introduced the ultimate Gated 
Community into a foreign culture -- they've got to be impressed with our way of 
life.  Go America!!  

But, you know, Lawrence, even your Stasi hero Bush has admitted that Iraq has 
become a training ground for terrorists.  Hmmm.  Oh, but wait, you said the war 
against the Islamists, not the terrorists.  I stand corrected.

Mike Geary

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Helm 
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:13 PM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape

  Thanks:  It shouldn't be beyond you that I support this present war or 
compare it to WWII, but I know where you get your info so I'm not surprised 
that it is.  In WWII we were attacked by adherents of fascist philosophies who 
hoped to conquer us.  On 9/11 we were attacked by adherents of a fascist 
ideology who hoped to conquer us.  (And that wasn't the first attack or the 
first declaration of war against us by adherents of this ideology.)  
Information about the Fascist regimes of WWII was readily available to the 
curious.  Information about Islamist Fascist regimes and strategies is also 
available to the curious.

  Since I am not a pacifist I do not wish to be conquered by the Islamists.  I 
don't even want our nation to be attacked by them.  Furthermore, since I have 
been curious about the players I have spent a lot of time checking them out.  
Iraq was an enormous impediment in the way of our war against the Islamists.  
The war against Iraq has been a tremendous success in the war against the 
Islamists.  You of course won't have heard that yet, but you will.

  Of course the Islamists are slippery devils ready to pull the wool over the 
eyes of the unwary.  See Andre Nusse's Muslim Palestine as an example of how 
they operate.  The Islamists don't fit the Western preconception of Nation 
States.  Sayyid Qutb didn't believe in the separation of the ummah into 
nations.  This information is available to the curious and energetic.

  Thus, since the Islamists have declared war against us, we who aren't 
pacifists, seek to oppose them.  The Middle East, thanks to WWI and especially 
the British and French is messy.  They split the Middle East up in awkward 
national groupings.  The Islamists want to do away with all borders although as 
Nusse indicates, local Islamist groups can support political factions that 
provide them with some advantage.  They can never settle for such agreements as 
ultimate solutions, but they can agree to them keeping the word "temporary" in 
the forefront of their thinking.  Islamists function in and have agreements 
with factions and regimes throughout the Middle East and in all Islamic  
nations.  Fighting them is going to be difficult.  It is going to require 
imagination.  Alas, we shall probably get very very bloody before we (as a 
nation) acquire any.



  From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:35 PM
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape

  Lawrence, welcome back!  Glad to see that you're still supporting this war.  
How you can compare this war to WWII is beyond me, but welcome back anyway.  
It's good to see your post.

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