[lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:44:07 -0500
Poor besieged Lawrence. How would you suggest we fight the Islamists? Are
our boys not fighting hard enough? If we cheered from over here, would they
fight harder? BTW, Osama won against the Soviets, and they were a mighty
nuclear power. Maybe we'll be luckier. Luck so far seems to be the name of
the game. Certainly not strategy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 1/20/2006 9:19:18 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
We need to oppose the Islamists. We are in a war with them. Bush may or may
not be fighting them as well as he could, but at least he is fighting them. I
won?t quibble about whether he is doing everything right. He probably isn?t.
But we do need to fight the Islamists. We do not need to support the Islamists
by early withdrawal from Iraq.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:11 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
We ought to be doing a lot of things. That's why we have leadership, to guide
and lead us in our oughts. Why are they not making it clear who and what is
the case? Bush is always talking about a War on Terror even as he cuts taxes
for the ultra rich and vacations at his ranch. Is he not the clock by which we
set our watches? Is Congressional corruption the way to fight Islamism? If
you're suggesting we talk a good line, that's a different story.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 1/20/2006 9:04:30 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
We have an enemy: the Islamists. The Islamists want to conquer us. We need to
oppose them.
If you disagree you should logically argue that we dont need to oppose them or
that they dont want to conquer us.
If we arent opposing them as well as we ought, that doesnt detract from the
argument that we ought to oppose them. Although I did mention it as an aside,
the people are being provided with faulty information by the media. I blame
the media and the people for that. The media for being perverse and the people
for being gullible, but I am not surprised by any it. We will (as a people)
eventually learn that the enemy is to be taken seriously that he does want to
conquer us. It took a lot of blood to get us into both World Wars. We
probably need to bleed a bit more before we develop enthusiasm for this one,
but notice that Osama does intend to make us bleed.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:44 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Okay, let's cut the leadership some slack. It's all the people's fault that we
lost this war. Let's blame them instead. It wasn't Napoleon's fault that he
lost (or won). It was the French people, right? So let me get this straight.
This is a necessary war, but not an important one. Is that right? And kindly
point out the bothersome non sequiturs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 1/20/2006 8:38:47 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
You are giving me a headache with your non sequiturs. I didnt discuss the
importance, but I do believe it is a necessary war. It can become more
important if we dilly dally and let them win more than we ought to let them
win. You have introduced several tangents which dont seem important. We have
an implacable enemy. We may or may not be fighting him as enthusiastically as
we ought. From the fact that so many people want us to withdraw prematurely
from Iraq (to the delight of Osama) it is clear that millions dont understand
the importance of fighting this enemy. So perhaps the people you refer to
as not doing something right ought to be given some slack for not fighting them
as well as they might.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:25 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Text of bin Laden Tape
Well, if it was such an important war, why wasn't it fought more seriously?
Why did the Army have to laugh at their proposal and insist on a larger army
than what Rove & Co. wanted, and still be nowhere close to what was needed?
Why was there no plan for after Baghdad fell? Why did we go to war with the
army we had instead of the army we needed (a paraphrase)? Why cut taxes when
the money is needed for military spending to fund the army to fight this war
that we need so desperately? Yadda yadda. In short, why was it not waged as
if it was an important war? If you say it was the Democrats' fault, then
you're passing the buck. The Republicans run the show and he had everybody's
approval in any case.
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