Omar Kusturica: "If the authority of state is reducible to a particular form of government, then it's not clear how the government can be changed without ruining the state authority." The 'authority of state' is an abstraction from the particular instances of government. The character of the 'authority of state' is dependent on how things turn out. Omar: "Also, how 'people order themselves' is not necessarily tantamount to moral justification for a state." Of course it isn't. There are however distinctions that can be made with regards to how people order themselves, upon which moral judgments can be made. For example, the 'beat the shit out of people I disagree with' approach is morally deficient. Omar: "I wish that he would give me credit of not assuming that all of my comments are meant to advance the political interests of Palestinians or Iraqis, or other groups." Your posts are stridently ideological. Apart from 'Death to Israel' or 'Death to America' posts, what else do you contribute? Omar: "But the internal political arrangements of the Palestinians or Iraqis or other Arab nations have little to do with the legitimacy of their national interests." Don't be silly. The "internal political arrangement", that is, the order under which they form government, is the expression of their national interests. Examine how a country orders its internal political interests and you can accurately guess their national interests. Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html