I guess it would be like the Mexicans coming here illegally, taking over California at gunpoint and telling the people in California they can now clear the land of snakes for them while they put them into tents to live. The Mexicans were there before the Americans, correct? They have a right to do that, correct? I have to say I tend to agree. Those poor people in Lebanon. They didn't even support Hezbollah (according to Christiane Amanpour anyway) but now things may be changing. I had my hopes pinned on Hillary, but she's for amnesty, and now to say that she's on one side or the other is to exclude the middle ground of diplomacy. Bush has done zero negotiation throughout his entire presidency. He swaggers and acts imperiously, talks down to countries like Iran, alienates everyone, negotiates at gunpoint. Even Putin made a joke about Bush wanting to democratize Russia the way he democratized Iraq. Bush & Co., especially Cheney, want to destroy democracy at home while spreading it through invasion overseas. I heard a story on Lou Dobbs that the Israeli invasion is galvanizing the jihad movement. Surprise, right? The Israelis learned nothing from the Iraq invasion, and even sadder, neither did Bush. Even if they destroy Hezbollah, they can't destroy Iran, and if they uproot the new democracy in Lebanon, they'll leave a vacuum. Israel does have the tacit approval of Arab nations who are afraid of the religious fundamentalists, but even that speaks to the need for working with, not against. The Israelis usurped that area originally (yes, Stan, they did), that's why this conflict is so intractable. They set the tone for all this and they've spent 60 years fighting for their 'right' to live in a place they muscled their way into. Of course they'll never see their part in any of this and it will just get worse and worse into eternity. Okay, Stan, tell me I'm anti-Semitic and be done with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: joseph To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 7/18/2006 1:53:29 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] ] Hillary Clinton Speaks Up for israel at U.N.Rally i wonder would she have said that if she had known people personally who had moved to Lebanon, like my Ex wife, for example, and the *ahem* ---nevermind, they are bombing the place ....would she have said , do what you must do??? lets all pray that no one bombs where you live and have someone said, hey it's cool, Keep in mind, i wished that President Clinton could have stayed in office, then we would not have had to plunged our country into the bushes... Joseph wells