[arachne] Re: INFO NEEDED FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE DOS/ARACHNESUPPORT
- From: Glenn Gilbreath Jr. <wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:16:05 -0600
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Re Optical media problems...yep, I'm storing all this info for future reference.
Wiz
Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Eric S. Emerson" <wildrice5@xxxxxxxx>
To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 12/15/2008 6:54 PM
Subject: [arachne] Re: INFO NEEDED FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE DOS/ARACHNESUPPORT
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Wiz,
Because of the physics involved I
would expect the CD's to last longer than
a magnetic medium. But the durability
of CD's vs. floppies was not the original
thread. Also, the appropiateness of floppies
as a backup medium wasn't the thread.
Greg M. has a problem reading his CD's
after burning them and I told him this is
a common problem with CD/DVD drives.
His burned CD's may be OK and the problem
is with the OS or drivers or BIOS controlling the
drives. Floppy drives don't usually have driver,
OS, BIOS problems. But they do have other
weaknesses as you have pointed out. <gggg>
And multisession optical disks have their
unique problems when used for backup.
Eric
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:19:50 -0600 Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
<wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
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> Eric,
> Yep, I read your post re: backups...I also remember one of the
> earlier posts from Greg M about using diskettes for backup,
> Reinstalling, etc. It seems to me the shear number of diskettes
> required to install a modern operating system precludes their being
> the media of choice. I also have several old CDs, you know, DOS
> games and such needing minimum of 2X CD drive...not a single read
> error.
>
> But with diskettes it seems anything over a dozen uses or so and the
> drive can't read sector one. Probably "cheap" diskettes...but
> that's been my experience.
>
> Wiz
>
> Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
> Wizard57M
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Eric S. Emerson" <wildrice5@xxxxxxxx>
> To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 12/15/2008 5:16 PM
> Subject: [arachne] Re: INFO NEEDED FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE
> DOS/ARACHNESUPPORT
>
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> Hey Wiz,
> If you saw my previous e-mail posting
> I said that CD's were handy for backups. The
> discussion has not been about backup.
> CD drives have to read many more formats
> than FDDs which seems to make them seem
> rather flakey in behavior. I have no experience with
> R/W CD's or DVD's but I have read some stuff that
> indicates that R/W disks have a shorter life of
> reliability than plain R disks. Similar to the floppy
> disk weakness. FDD's can get out of adjustment,
> etc. and floppy disks can/do deteriorate....but FDD's
> don't have all the trouble initializing and reading
> different formats that CD/DVD drives do.
>
> One doesn't see all the complaints about reading/using
> floppy drives that one sees about CD/DVD drives.
>
> Eric
>
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:47:22 -0600 Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
> <wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
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> > Interesting...I have no experience burning CDs, only with using
> read
> > only drives, but I do now have CD burner, and a DVD one as well.
> > Anyway, I've not had a drive failure with CD, but have had several
>
> > with 3.5 in diskette drives, not to mention after a few dozen uses
>
> > the diskettes reliability leaves much to be desired. For backing
> up
> > small amounts of data, diskettes were OK, but I would not want to
> > backup my Dell's 160 gb hard drive with them, even though it isn't
>
> > very full.
> > Wiz
> >
> > Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
> > Wizard57M
> > http://www.geocities.com/wizard57m/index.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Eric S. Emerson" <wildrice5@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: arachne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: 12/15/2008 4:14 PM
> > Subject: [arachne] Re: INFO NEEDED FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE
> > DOS/ARACHNESUPPORT
> >
> > Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
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> > Greg M.,
> > Some CD drives will only read "plain"
> > CD's. The OS and drivers also effect what the
> > CD drive will read. My W$98 computer will not
> > read multisession burned CD's properly even
> > though it will burn them just fine.
> >
> > As I said, CD's do NOT behave as predictably
> > as FDD's.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:56:56 +100 "Bastiaan Edelman"
> > <bastiaan.pa3ffz@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > > Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
> > >
> > > You are NOT using re-writable CD's, are you??
> > > I had a lot of problems with them and consulting glennmcc
> > > who helped me with burning CD's in DOS... ONLY one-way
> > > CD's can be used with the programs he once supplied.
> > >
> > > Regards, Bastiaan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:01:40 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote:
>
> >
> > > ;Text preceeding quote o
> > >
> > > > Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:10:13 -0800, Eric S. Emerson wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Arachne at FreeLists---The Arachne Fan Club!
> > >
> > > >> Hi Greg M.,
> > > >> I find that sometimes after burning
> > > >> a CD that it appears blank and the CD/DVD drive
> > > >> has to be re-initialized. Sometimes just opening and
> > > >> closing the drive tray fixes it...other times a reboot
> > > >> is required. I assume it has something to do with
> > > >> the driver. It happens with both my DOS 486 computer
> > > >> and W$n computers...and...it happens with both
> > > >> brand new drives and older drives
> > >
> > > > I have tried reading the disk with the burner drive and also
> > with
> > > the
> > > > non-burner drive on the same computer, and each time it comes
> up
> >
> > > empty.
> > >
> > > > Except that if I try to burn it again, I get the message that
> > > "this disk
> > > > contains data. Do you want to erase it?" and the same message
> > again
> > > > after it has been fast-erased and fully-erased...
> > >
> > > > Got real doubts about the software I'm using, or possibly the
> > > hardware,
> > > > or possibly both.....
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately the CD drive on the DOS comp has now ceased to
> > read
> > > any
> > > > disks. I may have to open it up and manually clean the laser
> as
> > the
> > > > cleaning disk will not work under DOS.
> > >
> > > > (BTW, I am using proper read-write blank disks)
> > >
> > > > Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
> > > > and remember what peace there may be in silence.
> > > > "Desiderata", Max Ehrmann, copyright 1952.
> > >
> > > > ,-./\
> > > > / \ From Greg Mayman, in beautiful Adelaide, South
> Australia
> > > > \_,-*_/ "Queen City of The South" 35d 01'44"S 138d 32'13"E
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