Hi Jeroen, I agree but there a) people who don't like the current bit rate at which = the services are run (between 128 and 192kb/s) b) although you see lots o= f DAB portables you never see a battery operated DAB radio c) although lo= ts of people do have excellent indoor antenna reception on a telescopic r= od, they generally reckon the current low power VHF Band III signals shou= ld be up to 9dB higher. Set against that my analogue FM is crap and the D= AB versions of the same stations are flawless: domestic harmony in the mo= rnings. d) Its very clear why it is a success: same business model as Fre= eview. New digital only stations, simulcast of existing services, no subs= cription and under =A399. Heretically if you were starting digital radio today you would NOT use Eu= reka 147: you would and some countries are planning to, use DVB-H as its = 6.8 times more efficient than DAB (spectrum occupancy+audio coding) and t= here will be scale economies from simultaneous deployment of DVB-H in cel= lular systems. Of course it too uses that notorious but highly industrial= ised and effective multicarrier system!! And, of course, DVB-H is probably better suited for battery operated digi= tal radios... Kind Regards, Dermot Nolan -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = Date: 01/03/105 15:43 PM RE: [opendtv] Digital radios outstrip analogue = Hi, = See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4302459.stm "Sales of digital radios have outstripped the demand for traditional sets= = for the first time" "In total more radios are currently being sold in Dixons than in 1985." = "A century after Marconi's invention, the loud and clear message is that = radio is still a popular format. = Shows you what a multi carrier transmission system can do... ;-) = Greetings, = -- Jeroen = +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------= --+ | From: Jeroen H. 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