Because I can do something else while listening to radio, like drive, or do a crossword. Television does not hold a monopoly on information/entertainment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Birkmaier" <craig@xxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: Digital radios outstrip analogue > Can someone please remind me again why we need separate digital TV > and radio services. > > It's called digital broadcasting, and smart receivers will be able to > tune to any source of bits. > > Why segregate these services and the devices that use them? > > I understand potential differences in robustness requirements. But > well designed digital broadcast systems already have the ability to > optimize portions of the network for services with different > application requirements. > > Except for here in the U.S. of course... > > Regards > Craig > > > > > At 12:19 PM -0500 3/1/05, dmenolan wrote: > >Hi Jeroen, > > > >I agree but there a) people who don't like the current bit rate at which = > >the services are run (between 128 and 192kb/s) b) although you see lots o= > >f DAB portables you never see a battery operated DAB radio c) although lo= > >ts of people do have excellent indoor antenna reception on a telescopic r= > >od, they generally reckon the current low power VHF Band III signals shou= > >ld be up to 9dB higher. Set against that my analogue FM is crap and the D= > >AB versions of the same stations are flawless: domestic harmony in the mo= > >rnings. d) Its very clear why it is a success: same business model as Fre= > >eview. New digital only stations, simulcast of existing services, no subs= > >cription and under =A399. > >Heretically if you were starting digital radio today you would NOT use Eu= > >reka 147: you would and some countries are planning to, use DVB-H as its = > >6.8 times more efficient than DAB (spectrum occupancy+audio coding) and t= > >here will be scale economies from simultaneous deployment of DVB-H in cel= > >lular systems. Of course it too uses that notorious but highly industrial= > >ised and effective multicarrier system!! > >And, of course, DVB-H is probably better suited for battery operated digi= > >tal radios... > >Kind Regards, > > > >Dermot Nolan > > > >-------------Forwarded Message----------------- > > > >From: INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: , INTERNET:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > = > > > >Date: 01/03/105 15:43 PM > > > >RE: [opendtv] Digital radios outstrip analogue > > > > = > > > >Hi, = > > > > > >See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4302459.stm > > > >"Sales of digital radios have outstripped the demand for traditional sets= > > = > > > >for the first time" > >"In total more radios are currently being sold in Dixons than in 1985." = > > > >"A century after Marconi's invention, the loud and clear message is that = > > > >radio is still a popular format. = > > > > > > > >Shows you what a multi carrier transmission system can do... ;-) = > > > > > >Greetings, = > > > >-- Jeroen = > > > > > >+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------= > >--+ > >| From: Jeroen H. 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