Yes, that is the current process to discover issues with longevity - particularly with those trying to hide it. My point is we shouldn't have to. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "sally" <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx> To: "Lindenhill German Shepherds" <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:53:39 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding I have been around for a long time and have seen things come and go. I think the breed has cleaned up a lot in some structural areas What is disappointing in  IMO we are in a period of severe health problems. We seem to be having a lot of torsion, toxic gut and intestinal problems- So many breeders are taking the attitude of "not in my back yard" I do think it is up to everyone to do their own research. Ask question, listen at shows. take note of the dogs who disappear for a couple months or do not come back at all Sally www.embroiderybysally.org      ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================