Sally's comments remind me of an incidence at the National a few years back. I walked up to a "Big Breeder" judge, GV breeder/owner, etc.. I had connections to a bitch that had been bred to their current GV, so, I re-introduced myself, there was no one else within earshot, and asked said stud dog owner if she/he had any experience with a strange movement pattern I was seeing in a puppy from that breeding. It was NOTHING horrible, just turned out to be a growth "stage" thing; I doubt we were the only one seeing this. Stud dog owner looked at me in total horror, said, "I don't know what you are talking about," and fled...............EXIT STAGE LEFT!! Made me laugh, but, I thought, perhaps this highly respected person isn't really as ethical, nor as candid, as one would like to see??? Especially when one spent $$$$$$$$$$$ in shipping, testing, and stud fee!! Makes you wonder what truly serious issues they hide. These things were happening in the 70's and are, obviously, still happening today. It boils down to Caveat Emptor. Paula, 28 days and counting ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "sally" <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Breeding Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:56:21 -0500 I agree with Kathy , Torsion, Intestinal torsion ,toxic gut do tend to run in lines. Not always but if you watch and ask enough questions a pattern will develop. of course there are always the isolated cases that do not fit into this pattern. The problem I have is with owners who "keep this knowledge" to themselves. The stud dog owner who denies they have health problems - the bitch owner who ask questions but never tells they have x problems behind their bitch- as Kathy says it is just sticking your head in the sand Sally www.embroiderybysally.org ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================