Since I've put one foot in, I might just as well jump in with both feet. Barbara, I did not refer to him as awful. I can understand that you have a vested interest in perpetuating the mystique, but do you really believe he is the best of all time. I simply don't think he walked on water. He offered many breeders a correction in many ways - if you needed it. We did not, and we were among those encouraged to breed to him - we chose otherwise. In my opinion, there were/are many that offered those attributes and more, but they did not benefit from the "Chemistry" backing Dallas. No crying in my spilt milk here, it is what it is. I too saw Dallas prior to his run up, and reiterate he was a decent dog, he straightened out a few issues and added some of his own. But that is to be expected from such a well used dog. I happen to think that the bitches had more to do with it, and Dallas didn't hurt those breeding's to any great degree. I re-looked at his record on the "Gsdreviewed" site, the majority of the bitches bred to him were owned/co-owned or handled by the team(around 80%).Others were negotiated with handling considerations either on them or the progeny virtually locking in ROM's - sheesh who wouldn't jump at that. Kool-Aid Free, and not giving the Devil his due M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Amidon" <amidon481@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:09:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Breeding I have to get into the frey..Certain people when Dallas is mentioned get upset say he was awful this and that..I saw Dallas before he was promoted by Jim Moses..Billy Rossi was showing him..He was a lovely dog and certainly one to finish.Jimmey with all the hype did turn some off..I am a breeder of long standing and carefully study and watch what each dog is producing..Yes I know Jimmey bred him alot to alot of bitches..What I saw was beautiful animals of similar type..I bred to dallas because of this..With a good fronted bitch..The litter co bred with Jo-els produced what I thought it would..My bitch Pleasure is almost finished..Her brother Guy is coming out mirrors Amber with a good front..He guy in a few litters produced beautiful animals In fact I have one who will soon be shown..Bailey another Dallas male while maybe not a grand victor is a GREAT PRODUCER..Beautiful type..Yes if you studied and watched what goes on you would see the same results..So for good or bad give the Devil his due..These lines are producing..Barbara Amidon ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================