That's what I was looking for. Thanks. I think I will try this when I finish my current stock, which will likely take a while, unless I get going on my printing and make up a bunch of E-72 with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Adding Pot Bromife to PC-TEA > I had poor results with Gainer's original formula which I list below for > discussion purposes. > > Pat Gainer's Original PC-TEA Developer > > TEA ................ 100 ml > Ascorbic acid ...... 9 g > Phenidone .......... 0.25 g > > The negatives had an unexceptable level of developer fog and lacked contrast > even though the density was fine. Attempting to get more contrast caused the > density to become too high. > > A few weeks ago Gainer changed the formula in an APUG post by reducing the > amount of Phenidone to 0.225 g. This helped a bit with the contrast/density > problem. Soon after that someone suggested adding 0.25 g of potassium bromide > to the concentrate. This really cleaned up the negatives and greatly improved > the contrast/density problem. > > I still was not completely satisfied and decided to cool the action by reducing > the amount of TEA and by substituting Dimezone-S for the Phenidone. I think the > Gainer formula has too much Phenidone in relation to the amount of ascorbic > acid. > > The formula that I am testing now is > > TEA ................ 50 ml > Propylene glycol ... 50 ml > Ascorbic acid ...... 9.0 g > Dimezone-S ......... 0.25 g > Potassium bromide .. 0.25 g > > The fog problem is gone and tonal separation is what one would wish from a good > developer. Development time was a bit longer 8 minutes instead of 7-1/2. I am > very happy with results so far but will continue testing with other films. > > The TEA has some solvent action on silver halide and therefore produces finer > grain than using some other accelerant such as metaborate. > > Jerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Gene Johnson > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:09 PM > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Adding Pot Bromife to PC-TEA > > > I think what I really wanted to ask is if it reauired a change in developing > times, and if you've seen any change in characteristics. I'm currently still > using my PC-Kbr-Prestone stock and adding borax and sodium carbonate to make > working developer. Like it just fine, wondering if I should try to go to the > single step concentrate when it's gone :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:50 AM > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Adding Pot Bromife to PC-TEA > > > > I haven't had a chance yet to measure it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Gene Johnson > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:53 PM > > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Adding Pot Bromife to PC-TEA > > > > > > And you're now using 50/50?. How big of a ph change did that cause? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:59 AM > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Adding Pot Bromife to PC-TEA > > > > > > > One of the reasons I started using a mixture of TEA and propylene > > > glycol > > for the > > > developer is that it allows me to control the amount of TEA and > > > hence the > > pH of > > > the working solution and still have a waterless concentrate. One > > > can > > achieve a > > > lower pH than for Gainer's formula by adjusting the ratio of glycol > > > to > > TEA. > > > > > > Many years ago there was a product (can't remember the name) to stop > > prints from > > > curling. You soaked the washed prints in a bath made by diluting > > > this > > stuff and > > > then dried them. The product was based on one of the glycols. > > > > > > There is an OTC treatment for "swimmer's ear" which is 2% acetic > > > acid in glycerin. Works great to getting earwax out. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > On Behalf Of John Black > > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:31 AM > > > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Adding Pot Bromife to PC-TEA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never measured the temperature. I will do that when I make > > > > another > > > batch > > > > (which may be awhile). I think Gainer stated in either his > > > > article in PhotoTechniques or in a post on the net that the > > > > ascorbic acid would > > > eventually > > > > go into solution without heating after a few days. > > > > > > > > > > I will try this and see how little heat is necessary for solubility > > > of the ascorbic acid. I would prefer one of the more fluid glycols > > > over methanol > > but > > > want to avoid the excess heat. I will let you know about the temp. > > > > > > BTW, since glycerol can be used (although in larger concentration) > > > to > > prevent > > > curling in paper, I wonder if either of the glycols might have a > > > good > > effect on > > > curling of paper of film? On second thought, the washing surely > > > removes > > it so > > > it probably doesn't. > > > > > > OT, propylene glycol is a great cerumenolytic (dissolves earwax) and > > > can > > be used > > > to good effect in cleaning out obstructed ears. Perhaps a good use > > > for > > outdated > > > HC110? > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > ==== > > > ============================= > > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > > > your > > account > > > (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > > > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > ================================= > > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > > > your > > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > ==== > > ============================= > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > > your > account > > (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) > > and unsubscribe from there. > > > ============================================================================ > ================================= > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > > your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > ============================================================================ ==== > ============================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account > (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and > unsubscribe from there. > ============================================================================ ================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.