[projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
- From: Crusty Chris <crusty.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:24:22 +1200
basically if person A tells you to pick a number (any number), and person B
tells you to "add 2 to the number picked" and person C tells you to "add 3
to the number picked" then logically you'd have 2 numbers (x+2 and x+3). you
cannot combine the two instructions (into x+5) because they specifically say
to add to the number picked.
If person A tells you to pick another number and person B tells you to "add
2 to the total" and person C tells you to "add 3 to the total" then you have
one number, the total (y+5)
the two phrases are telling you to do completely different things.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:23 PM, David Davis <feline1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don’t see why adding x “to the the number picked” precludes also
> cumulatively adding other X’s to the number picked as well!
>
> cf: there’s loads of bonuses accumulate on your CS and EP all the time from
> multiple disciplines and items.
>
>
where does it say that?
WS/WM tells you to "add 3 points" to CS when you have a weapon youve
mastered
mindblast/psi-surge tells you to add "4 EXTRA points" to CS and specifically
states it stacks with WM
lore circles tell you to add "extra bonus points"
the sommerswerd tells you to use +10 if you have WS and that it doesnt stack
with WS
all these counter your point/support mine. I cant find any cases that back
your statement up - not that Ive looked too hard mind you.
Im sure there was a note somewhere that said you gained CS each Grandmaster
level you gained but i cant find that.
Interestingly Kai-Surge doesnt say it can be used with GWM, and doesnt say
"extra points" either :/
yah for reading the rules too closely again :) Im going to go out on a limb
here and say that this exception should probably be worded like
mindblast/psi-surge though (and be used with GWM).
(all quotes based off the online versions)
> *From:* Timothy Pederick <pederick@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:14 AM
> *To:* projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
>
> On 28 June 2011 05:42, Chris Neilson <crusty.chris@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Not saying I dont agree with you re the bonus stacking, but my original
>> point was that this was a forth option that had not been considered in
>> Tim's list. It all depends on whether or not its an argument that has
>> been "seriously proposed". The point was that nearly everyone ASSUMED
>> the bonus was cumulative - the rules dont specifically state that it is.
>>
>
> I think the fact that "nearly everyone" reads the rules a certain way is in
> fact a very good argument for Project Aon to interpret them that way. :-)
> Consensus is good. So is not surprising the readers and provoking them to
> email us with questions or complaints!
>
>
>> Compare this to the Silver Bow of Duadon. It is stated to "add 3 points
>> to your TOTAL whenever you are using a Bow" (06tkot sect252) - "total"
>> implies cumulative bonus, although the Mentora Improved Discipline says
>> "add 2 to the NUMBER PICKED" (the "Bows and Arrows" Equipment section
>> says something similar ie "add 3 to any number that you choose") - which
>> definitely implies not cumulative.
>>
>
> I think you're reading too much intent into Dever's wording. I don't think
> he was being deliberate in choosing "to your total" vs. "to the number
> picked".
>
> On 28 June 2011 09:11, Benjamin I Krefetz <krefetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Maybe someone who feels like grepping the xml files can check to confirm,
>> but I believe the only time LW throws a Dagger in the Magnakai series is
>> when he throws the Dagger of Vashna at Zakhan Kimah, and in that case the
>> reader is specifically instructed to add 3.
>>
>
> I come up with just two (using a hastily composed grep -i
> "random.*weaponmastery.*dagger"), both in 09tcof. There's the one against
> Kimah, of course (section
> 239<http://www.projectaon.org/test/en/xhtml/lw/09tcof/sect239.htm>),
> but also section
> 215<http://www.projectaon.org/test/en/xhtml/lw/09tcof/sect215.htm>where you
> throw a dagger at a guard to shut him up. There, you get a +4
> bonus.
>
> Kind of makes you wonder what the Mentora bonus (available no sooner than
> 10tdot) is actually *for*, especially if it doesn't stack with
> WM-with-Bow...
>
> (Do note that this is only finding cases where you get a bonus to a random
> pick for having [Grand] Weaponmastery. Searching for every instance of
> random picks involving daggers is significantly harder...)
>
> --
> Tim Pederick
>
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