[opendtv] Re: Euro Cars

  • From: "peter wilson" <peter.wilson@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:07:03 -0000

Here's a survey in the UK.




And another








From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dale Kelly
Sent: 14 December 2008 23:39
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Re: Euro Cars


Dan wrote:

(By the way, the German autos are by far the best: Volkswagen, Audi,
Mercedes: they are what to drive). 

I suggest that you check the Consumer Reports 2008 Annual Auto Issue: their
extensive automobile ownership research program finds that the reliability
of European brands is average or worse and rank third behind Asian and
American models. The most unreliable of the European models are VW, Audi,
Jaguar and Land Rover.

American passenger cars generally do better in these rankings and Ford is
the most reliable U.S. model (as it is in Europe, as I recall).  Quote from
CU: "with cars such as the Fusion, Ford is beginning to distance itself from
other domestic makes".


There is much similarity between Ford and GMs American and European models,
i.e.: Fords Fusion and Focus and GMs Impala and Malibu. However, You are
correct that engines and suspension performance differ but that is by
design, which others on this list have addressed.


Having lived in Europe for eight years and also having extensive driving
experience on the Continent as well as in England, it is my observation that
a drivers needs are much different between Europe and America.  European
rural roads tend to be more challenging and their "freeways" can be more
akin to racetracks, where the lead foot rules. Our American driving
experience tends to be very benign by comparison.


 -----Original Message-----
From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:18 AM
To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [opendtv] Euro Cars

I've driven European GM cars (Jeep, Opel) and the American equivalents.
They don't compare.  The Euro cars are faster and spunkier.  I'm guessing it
is in the programming and I bet the emissions are not as strict.  Or maybe
just cheaper components (like smaller exhaust pipes).  (By the way, the
German autos are by far the best: Volkwagen, Audi, Mercedes: they are what
to drive). 

The last car I rented in Europe was an Opel Vectra wagon with a 1.9
turbo-diesel.  Those cars are so practical, stylish and comfortable, my wife
wanted to buy one in the states even though she doesn't like wagons.  She
was really disappointed that they aren't available here in the US, at least
not like the Opel.  The Chevy Malibu wagon is the US equivalent, but not
really.  Not in finish, handling and certainly no deisel engine. 

Truth is, US car makers don't make cars that most of us want.  The Toyotas
and Hondas are more expensive and out-sell.  Toyota is now the biggest auto
manufacturer in the world and they don't make massive vehicles that don't do
anything like GM. 


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