[opendtv] Re: Euro Cars

  • From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:09:03 -0800

I believe that Consumers Union (Consumer Reports) publishes a UK edition -
what do they report?

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  From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of peter wilson
  Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:07 PM
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  Here's a survey in the UK.



  http://www.whatcar.co.uk/news-special-report.aspx?NA=217350#



  And another



  http://www.topgear.com/content/features/stories/2005/11/stories/01/1.html



  BR,

  Peter




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  From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dale Kelly
  Sent: 14 December 2008 23:39
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  Subject: [opendtv] Re: Euro Cars



  Dan wrote:

  (By the way, the German autos are by far the best: Volkswagen, Audi,
Mercedes: they are what to drive).

  I suggest that you check the Consumer Reports 2008 Annual Auto Issue:
their extensive automobile ownership research program finds that the
reliability of European brands is average or worse and rank third behind
Asian and American models. The most unreliable of the European models are
VW, Audi, Jaguar and Land Rover.

  American passenger cars generally do better in these rankings and Ford is
the most reliable U.S. model (as it is in Europe, as I recall).  Quote from
CU: "with cars such as the Fusion, Ford is beginning to distance itself from
other domestic makes".



  There is much similarity between Ford and GMs American and European
models, i.e.: Fords Fusion and Focus and GMs Impala and Malibu. However, You
are correct that engines and suspension performance differ but that is by
design, which others on this list have addressed.



  Having lived in Europe for eight years and also having extensive driving
experience on the Continent as well as in England, it is my observation that
a drivers needs are much different between Europe and America.  European
rural roads tend to be more challenging and their "freeways" can be more
akin to racetracks, where the lead foot rules. Our American driving
experience tends to be very benign by comparison.



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  From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
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  Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:18 AM
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  Subject: [opendtv] Euro Cars


    I've driven European GM cars (Jeep, Opel) and the American equivalents.
They don't compare.  The Euro cars are faster and spunkier.  I'm guessing it
is in the programming and I bet the emissions are not as strict.  Or maybe
just cheaper components (like smaller exhaust pipes).  (By the way, the
German autos are by far the best: Volkwagen, Audi, Mercedes: they are what
to drive).

    The last car I rented in Europe was an Opel Vectra wagon with a 1.9
turbo-diesel.  Those cars are so practical, stylish and comfortable, my wife
wanted to buy one in the states even though she doesn't like wagons.  She
was really disappointed that they aren't available here in the US, at least
not like the Opel.  The Chevy Malibu wagon is the US equivalent, but not
really.  Not in finish, handling and certainly no deisel engine.

    Truth is, US car makers don't make cars that most of us want.  The
Toyotas and Hondas are more expensive and out-sell.  Toyota is now the
biggest auto manufacturer in the world and they don't make massive vehicles
that don't do anything like GM.

    Dan

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