[lit-ideas] Re: It's gone quiet
- From: wokshevs@xxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:19:54 -0230
Points well taken. It remains the case that were I to hold office hours rather
than meetings with students initiated by them and at mutual convenience, I'd
have a few more publications out. So, comparatively, I would be leading a life
of luxury were I to meet with students outside of classtime only during office
hours. Not that I need a life of luxury, of course. I thrive on promoting the
philosophical life for my students and myself.
Walter O.
MUN
Quoting Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> The fulfillment of
> > "office hours" does not
> > entail actual meetings with students.
>
> True.
>
>
> > And, of course, one can always set office hours at
> > times that are particularly
> > inconvenient, if not impossible, for the majority of
> > students to fit into their
> > schedules.
>
>
> One could, I suppose. But students would still be
> free to make appointments for times that were
> convenient, and/or to drop in.
>
> My simple point is that office hours are not a luxury.
> If staff only saw students -- or, as you say, did
> not -- at those times, that is, if they never saw
> students at other times by appointment or by dropping
> in, then they would be a luxury, yes. But they are
> not a luxury in themselves. They're hours when staff
> guarantee to be in their office/s, i.e. not having
> lunch, not visiting the library, not attending a
> meeting or a seminar, or whatever..., waiting to see
> students. As timetables become more complex, clearly
> office hours cannot be convenient for all students,
> but then, they can make appointments instead. They
> can talk to a lecturer after a lecture or seminar, and
> arrange a time then. (Etc.)
>
> That some staff abuse the office hours system does not
> make office hours a luxury.
>
> Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
>
>
>
> --- wokshevs@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Still something of a free ride. The fulfillment of
> > "office hours" does not
> > entail actual meetings with students. I know faculty
> > who spenbd most of their
> > office hours playing computer chess. But, yes, they
> > are technically
> > "available."
> >
> > And, of course, one can always set office hours at
> > times that are particularly
> > inconvenient, if not impossible, for the majority of
> > students to fit into their
> > schedules.
> >
> > Walter O
> > MUN
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Judith Evans <judith.evans001@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > > 'Office hours' are not necessarily a 'luxury',
> > they're times when staff
> > > (=faculty) are guaranteed to be available to see
> > students without
> > > appointment. (Obviously some staff try not to
> > be available without
> > > appointment except at those times.)
> > >
> >
>
>
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