Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 20:05:32 +0200
Great kof 13 vid.Tht anoaxe goro combo wicked finish.greatness!
On 2/6/14, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Real rap, GB bodies advice free.
>
> On 06/02/2014, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> but that Ken thing was luck, for sure!
>>
>> Yeah I did it twice. Must be luck.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:07 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, I really don't know much about fighting games -_-
>>>
>>> Come on man, I know all that. Your spacing and stuff is just better than
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> but that Ken thing was luck, for sure!
>>>
>>> Anyway, it doesn't matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If your cr.mk is getting swept all the time then your spacing and
>>>> footsies in general suck. The idea is to do it out of range so that
>>>> the
>>>> only way the DP will come out is when the opponent walks forward.
>>>>
>>>> To understand why your footsies suck you will also need to understand
>>>> how
>>>> I read your fireball once at quarter screen distance with Ken then
>>>> Ultra'd
>>>> through it. You said you couldn't understand how I read that since you
>>>> didn't throw a fireball the entire round. What you don't understand is
>>>> that I made you throw that fireball. It sounds crazy, but it's true,
>>>> and
>>>> the same concept applies to footsies, except the reactions you try to
>>>> get
>>>> from your opponent are much more subtle. There's a segment in the
>>>> Infilitration vs Tokido matchup where Infiltration starts walking back
>>>> and
>>>> forward. The only reason he does it is to get Tokido to do the same
>>>> thing. As soon as Tokido does it, he walks forward and sweeps him.
>>>> I'll
>>>> post the clip later if I can find it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Meh, the cr.mk thing was cool but it just gets swept all the time or
>>>>> something like that. Too risky on block too, dp is really unsafe. I'd
>>>>> rather toss out the st.hk than the cr.mk, because you can't really
>>>>> focus it, unless I'm really close or the focus attack is really good
>>>>> (Dudley), so its mindless poking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thats why I do it twice or more, without even thinking, because if you
>>>>> focus and release, you focus will whiff and I'll kick you again for x2
>>>>> st.hk dmg. If it hits, most people actually advance or just don't
>>>>> realise how fast and far-reaching it is, and I get another hit again,
>>>>> sometimes I'll just do it again, just like jumping. After getting sick
>>>>> of
>>>>> eating that, most people jump and then get blown up by cr.hp. Its all
>>>>> I
>>>>> have to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then somewhere in between I left the frustration kick in and wait for
>>>>> an
>>>>> opening for some combos and yay, I win.
>>>>>
>>>>> EX Tatsu stuff is really bad though, besides on block, I just do that
>>>>> to
>>>>> advance or have nothing better to do. Unless the spacing is
>>>>> impeccable,
>>>>> using it to beat fireballs is not so great. Sometimes only one of the
>>>>> kicks
>>>>> it and it leave you open or you land somewhere in front. Its a great
>>>>> option
>>>>> but if I could read the fireball, I might as well jump in instead, the
>>>>> outcome is the same anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides the fact that that's a REALLY stupid way of approaching a
>>>>>> match, why don't you have the same approach to footsies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I figure if I always poke, you won't punish me every time"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cr.mk is a GREAT poke because of the conversion into big damage
>>>>>> (shouken FADC into most boring combo ever). st.hk controls so much
>>>>>> space and is very hard to whiff punish. Plus she also has that
>>>>>> retarded
>>>>>> Focus Attack. If I react with tatsu using Ryu, she ducks under it.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> react with cr.mk xx DP, she hops over it. Such a dumb character...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have trouble getting in on someone like Seth, just walk
>>>>>> forward
>>>>>> and block. He doesn't have the ground mobility to keep up in
>>>>>> footsies
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> he'll either dash forward into shenanigans, do the Electrolux special
>>>>>> (you
>>>>>> can react to this), dash back to create space, or jump. If you have
>>>>>> trouble with fireballs, try EX Tatsu instead of jumping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> vs. Rose slide, just do Focus Attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:05 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You guys make me jump -_-
>>>>>>> If I don't jump and you actually fireball, then I'm like "fuck, I
>>>>>>> should have jumped".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> meh, I figure if I always jump, you won't AA every single time, you
>>>>>>> probably going to expect me to change what I'm going to do,
>>>>>>> sometime.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> just need to get in once or twice to win with Sakura. One good combo
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> one ex tatsu into U1. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you guys like Steve,Rod and Salie are too stubborn, or more
>>>>>>> stubborn than I am! "Oh, this is working. Ok, why change? Make me."
>>>>>>> -_-
>>>>>>> Then I just go in and see what happens :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet you keep jumping in recklessly and getting punished...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yup, because that move lost me life. Lets never do that again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sap, I'm doing Soul Spiral backdash and slides forever now and
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to win. Rose unfair.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> *probably
>>>>>>>>>>> what happened*.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FTFY.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Told you many times before, you play too conservatively during
>>>>>>>>>> footsies. You get whiff punished once and then you never press
>>>>>>>>>> that button
>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GG Sap. Please die and burn in hell with Rose.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, its feels 7-3 to Rose.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *lol* Dragonball Z: Hyper Dimension. Check out the matches :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Di Lhong
>>>>>>>>>>>> <numotd@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wavedashing? what game is this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hype *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thorns Barb. The point was to see if he could kill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opponents without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressing a single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour for Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. The complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profit area, the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anime series.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game prices stay essentially the same for over a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decade...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting creative :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USD30 is a real bargain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojima pulling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ever being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes are spend hiding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> gameplay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> pseudo-intellectual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> storyline to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (without assets, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> channel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next day or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of Akuma play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on fast reactions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combo into reset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did this because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infiltration went for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not get copy i had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gears of war player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly .i had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xbox and ps3 and will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms c what games r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.ill try 2 come 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play on SupArc now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lobby if you want to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bellville?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smashed many ggpo kof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all cheats 2 no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms.smash or b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > hospital,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this man is about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GM of Telkom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> security...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *facepalm*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priced subjectively...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overreaction hypothesis, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applicable example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the title of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mentioned/used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the Hedge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as can be seen in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could've made R1 turn into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time). Testing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of work. HFs is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> finance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-) I corrected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analysis, they'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe 4 or 5 have any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went to the extent of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first... which is akin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finding the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> algorithm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trained using a data-base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selects the variables and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the computer decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get garbage out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> machines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so yeah, people have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program it and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn differently, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are economic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prices will adjust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, they won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't always wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market at all, else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the market values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often than not.If I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on whether a stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn money, I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stock market. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of these funds are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GAs though). Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the data is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> suffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust to past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, most GAs don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> result,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so they fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best they can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link should be at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Give me his email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kiviets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please.i added Hilton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphones where I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uploading soon :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barendse <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International") is a Swiss entity that serves as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating entity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a network of independent firms operating under the KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name. KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International provides no services to clients. Each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firm of KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International is a legally distinct and separate entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and each describes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself as such. Information about the structure and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local KPMG member firm can be obtained from your KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been swept by AntiVirus software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legally privileged. It is intended solely for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressee. Access to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> received this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication in error, please address with the subject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading "Received
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in error," send to the original sender, then delete the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any copies of it. If you are not the intended recipient,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any disclosure,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions or advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contained in this e-mail are subject to the terms and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions expressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the governing KPMG client engagement letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other information in this e-mail and any attachments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not relate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official business of the firm are neither given nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsed by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secure or error-free, as information could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intercepted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amended, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain viruses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This email is being sent out by KPMG International
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooperative ("KPMG International") on behalf of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KPMG member firm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing services to you. KPMG International
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooperative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ("KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International") is a Swiss entity that serves as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating entity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a network of independent firms operating under the KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name. KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International provides no services to clients. Each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firm of KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International is a legally distinct and separate entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and each describes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself as such. Information about the structure and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local KPMG member firm can be obtained from your KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been swept by AntiVirus software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legally privileged. It is intended solely for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addressee. Access to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> received this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication in error, please address with the subject
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading "Received
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in error," send to the original sender, then delete the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any copies of it. If you are not the intended recipient,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any disclosure,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions or advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contained in this e-mail are subject to the terms and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions expressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the governing KPMG client engagement letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other information in this e-mail and any attachments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not relate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official business of the firm are neither given nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsed by it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secure or error-free, as information could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intercepted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amended, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain viruses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This email is being sent out by KPMG International
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooperative ("KPMG International") on behalf of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KPMG member firm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing services to you. KPMG International
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooperative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ("KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International") is a Swiss entity that serves as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating entity for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a network of independent firms operating under the KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name. KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International provides no services to clients. Each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firm of KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> International is a legally distinct and separate entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and each describes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself as such. Information about the structure and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local KPMG member firm can be obtained from your KPMG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been swept by AntiVirus software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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