Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:30:03 +0200
Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in the next day or so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> Link -_-
>
>
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> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level of Akuma play
>> I've seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast reactions
>> and situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a combo into reset
>> and which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He did this
>> because he was calculating the stun values in his head. Infiltration went
>> for the DP, it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Go back to sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington <
>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get copy i had
>>> > sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of war player
>>> > now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>> >
>>> > On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly .i had a
>>> >> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and ps3 and will
>>> >> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c what games r
>>> >> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound interesting.ill try 2 come 2
>>> >> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is ilitirit but I don't
>>> >>> play
>>> >>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play on SupArc now.
>>> >>> It's
>>> >>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if you want
>>> to.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many ggpo kof
>>> 2002
>>> >>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats 2 no
>>> profit
>>> >>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash or b
>>> >>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man is about
>>> to
>>> >>>> have a
>>> >>>> > heart-attack.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>> >>>> > <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of Telkom
>>> >>>> >> Claremont.
>>> >>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
>>> >>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B" <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced
>>> subjectively...
>>> >>>> >>> See
>>> >>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction hypothesis, or
>>> >>>> >>> google
>>> >>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable example.
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title of the
>>> >>>> >>>> article
>>> >>>> or
>>> >>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within the Hedge
>>> Fund
>>> >>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be seen in
>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>> quant
>>> >>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1 turn into
>>> >>>> >>>> R500,
>>> >>>> >>>> if
>>> >>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time). Testing for
>>> >>>> >>>> adaption
>>> >>>> >>>> here
>>> >>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work. HFs is
>>> also
>>> >>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I corrected
>>> this
>>> >>>> >>>> when
>>> >>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis, they'd
>>> >>>> >>>> implement
>>> >>>> >>>> like,
>>> >>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or 5 have
>>> any
>>> >>>> >>>> statical
>>> >>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the extent
>>> of
>>> >>>> running
>>> >>>> >>>> a
>>> >>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first... which is
>>> akin
>>> >>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best
>>> variables
>>> >>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> >>>> fit
>>> >>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a
>>> data-base
>>> >>>> first,
>>> >>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the variables
>>> and
>>> >>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> ANN
>>> >>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the computer decide
>>> what
>>> >>>> >>>> it
>>> >>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get garbage out,
>>> >>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah, people
>>> have
>>> >>>> >>>> used
>>> >>>> >>>> GA's
>>> >>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it and I
>>> would
>>> >>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn differently,
>>> just as
>>> >>>> >>>> we
>>> >>>> >>>> do.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are economic
>>> >>>> >>>> shocks,
>>> >>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will adjust
>>> >>>> >>>> accordingly
>>> >>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they won't
>>> >>>> necessarily
>>> >>>> >>>> be
>>> >>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't always wait
>>> >>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> >>>> some
>>> >>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at all, else
>>> >>>> >>>> I'd
>>> >>>> >>>> go
>>> >>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the market values
>>> it
>>> >>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than not.If I
>>> had a
>>> >>>> basic
>>> >>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether a stock
>>> >>>> >>>> falls
>>> >>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn money, I'd
>>> be a
>>> >>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>> >>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> @GB
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock market.
>>> It
>>> >>>> >>>>> seems
>>> >>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these funds are
>>> >>>> already
>>> >>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs though). Was
>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>> >>>>> paper
>>> >>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of the
>>> questions
>>> >>>> >>>>> I
>>> >>>> had.
>>> >>>> >>>>> It
>>> >>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the data is
>>> run
>>> >>>> >>>>> on
>>> >>>> >>>>> live
>>> >>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>>> "over-fitting",
>>> >>>> which
>>> >>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to past
>>> >>>> >>>>> performance
>>> >>>> in
>>> >>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result. However, most GAs don't
>>> >>>> >>>>> take
>>> >>>> >>>>> into
>>> >>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they fail
>>> miserably
>>> >>>> when
>>> >>>> >>>>> they
>>> >>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they can do
>>> is to
>>> >>>> >>>>> try
>>> >>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>> >>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link should be at
>>> the
>>> >>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give me his email
>>> >>>> >>>>>> address.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>>> >>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added Hilton
>>> myself
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones where I
>>> can
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> see
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading soon :)
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB knows
>>> this.
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
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