Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 00:43:14 +0200

GG Sap. Please die and burn in hell with Rose.

Seriously, its feels 7-3 to Rose.

Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
impossible.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> *lol* Dragonball Z: Hyper Dimension. Check out the matches :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSA
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> wavedashing? what game is this?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>>
>>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> *lol*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the hype
>>>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure thorns
>>>>>>>> Barb. The point was to see if he could kill opponents without pressing 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an hour for
>>>>>>>> Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing. The
>>>>>>>> complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media profit area,
>>>>>>>> the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the anime series.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game prices
>>>>>>>> stay essentially the same for over a decade...  people start getting
>>>>>>>> creative :P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a
>>>>>>>> real bargain
>>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima
>>>>>>>> pulling the
>>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember it ever
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are
>>>>>>>> spend hiding.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup,
>>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual storyline
>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code (without
>>>>>>>> assets, of
>>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in the
>>>>>>>> next day or
>>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level of
>>>>>>>> Akuma play
>>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast
>>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a combo
>>>>>>>> into reset
>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He did
>>>>>>>> this because
>>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head. Infiltration went
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get
>>>>>>>> copy i had
>>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of
>>>>>>>> war player
>>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly
>>>>>>>> .i had a
>>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and
>>>>>>>> ps3 and will
>>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c
>>>>>>>> what games r
>>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound interesting.ill try 2
>>>>>>>> come 2
>>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is ilitirit
>>>>>>>> but I don't
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play on
>>>>>>>> SupArc now.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if
>>>>>>>> you want to.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many
>>>>>>>> ggpo kof
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats
>>>>>>>> 2 no
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash
>>>>>>>> or b
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man
>>>>>>>> is about
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of
>>>>>>>> Telkom
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security...
>>>>>>>> *facepalm*.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced
>>>>>>>> subjectively...
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction
>>>>>>>> hypothesis, or
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable
>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within
>>>>>>>> the Hedge
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be
>>>>>>>> seen in the
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1
>>>>>>>> turn into
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time).
>>>>>>>> Testing for
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of
>>>>>>>> work. HFs is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I
>>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis,
>>>>>>>> they'd
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or
>>>>>>>> 5 have any
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to
>>>>>>>> the extent of
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first...
>>>>>>>> which is akin
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using
>>>>>>>> a data-base
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the
>>>>>>>> variables and
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the
>>>>>>>> computer decide
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get
>>>>>>>> garbage out,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah,
>>>>>>>> people have
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program
>>>>>>>> it and I
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn
>>>>>>>> differently, just
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are
>>>>>>>> economic
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices
>>>>>>>> will adjust
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they
>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't
>>>>>>>> always wait
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at
>>>>>>>> all, else
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the
>>>>>>>> market values
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than
>>>>>>>> not.If I had
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on
>>>>>>>> whether a stock
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn
>>>>>>>> money, I'd be
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock
>>>>>>>> market. It
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these
>>>>>>>> funds are
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs
>>>>>>>> though). Was
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of the
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before
>>>>>>>> the data is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to
>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result. However, most
>>>>>>>> GAs don't
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they
>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they
>>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link
>>>>>>>> should be at
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give me his
>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added
>>>>>>>> Hilton
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones
>>>>>>>> where I can
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading
>>>>>>>> soon :)
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because
>>>>>>>> LB knows
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> is a Swiss
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>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>> > >> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International
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>>>>>>>> is a Swiss
>>>>>>>> > >> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of
>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>> > >> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International
>>>>>>>> provides no
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>>>>>>>> is a Swiss
>>>>>>>> > >> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of
>>>>>>>> independent
>>>>>>>> > >> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International
>>>>>>>> provides no
>>>>>>>> > >> services
>>>>>>>> > >> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a
>>>>>>>> legally distinct
>>>>>>>> > >> and
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>>>>>>>> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or
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>>>>>>>> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative
>>>>>>>> ("KPMG International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm 
>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>> services to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") 
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> Swiss entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of
>>>>>>>> independent firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International
>>>>>>>> provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG 
>>>>>>>> International is
>>>>>>>> a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes itself as 
>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>> Information about the structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG 
>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>> firm can be obtained from your KPMG representative.
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>>>>>>>> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept
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>>>>>>>> send to
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>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying,
>>>>>>>> distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on 
>>>>>>>> it,
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>>>>>>>> this
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>>>>>>>> governing
>>>>>>>> KPMG client engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other 
>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>> in this e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official
>>>>>>>> business of the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or
>>>>>>>> error-free, as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, 
>>>>>>>> lost,
>>>>>>>> destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative
>>>>>>>> ("KPMG International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm 
>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>> services to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") 
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> Swiss entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of
>>>>>>>> independent firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International
>>>>>>>> provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG 
>>>>>>>> International is
>>>>>>>> a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes itself as 
>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>> Information about the structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG 
>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>> firm can be obtained from your KPMG representative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept
>>>>>>>> by AntiVirus software.
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>>>>>>>> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
>>>>>>>> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this 
>>>>>>>> e-mail
>>>>>>>> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this 
>>>>>>>> communication in
>>>>>>>> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," 
>>>>>>>> send to
>>>>>>>> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of 
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying,
>>>>>>>> distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on 
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> e-mail are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the 
>>>>>>>> governing
>>>>>>>> KPMG client engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other 
>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>> in this e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official
>>>>>>>> business of the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or
>>>>>>>> error-free, as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, 
>>>>>>>> lost,
>>>>>>>> destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative
>>>>>>>> ("KPMG International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm 
>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>>>> services to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") 
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>> Swiss entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of
>>>>>>>> independent firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International
>>>>>>>> provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG 
>>>>>>>> International is
>>>>>>>> a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes itself as 
>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>> Information about the structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG 
>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>> firm can be obtained from your KPMG representative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept
>>>>>>>> by AntiVirus software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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